Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder7.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.079 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.84; '*S*': 0.00; 'abuse': 0.07; '-tkc': 0.16; 'from:addr:python.list': 0.16; 'from:addr:tim.thechases.com': 0.16; 'from:name:tim chase': 0.16; 'identifiers': 0.16; 'subject:unicode': 0.16; 'symbols': 0.16; 'unicode.': 0.16; ':-)': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; "aren't": 0.24; '(or': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'character': 0.29; "we're": 0.32; 'could': 0.34; "can't": 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'useful': 0.36; 'easily': 0.37; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'expect': 0.39; 'does': 0.39; 'though,': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'system.': 0.39; 'ian': 0.60; 'name': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'talking': 0.65; 'here': 0.66; 'alphanumeric': 0.68; 'incorporate': 0.68; '8bit%:96': 0.70; 'received:50.22': 0.84 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 13:02:57 -0500 From: Tim Chase To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: unicode as valid naming symbols In-Reply-To: References: <5331D902.3030902@gmail.com> <53321819$0$29994$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <53393BA4.2080305@rece.vub.ac.be> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - boston.accountservergroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - python.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tim.thechases.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: boston.accountservergroup.com: authenticated_id: tim@thechases.com X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1396288976 news.xs4all.nl 2944 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:53830 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:69439 On 2014-03-31 11:40, Ian Kelly wrote: > There is nothing useful > you can do with a name that is the U+1F4A9 character that you can't > do just as easily with alphanumeric identifiers like pile_of_poo (or > =D0=BA=D1=83=D1=87=D0=B0_=D1=84=D0=B5=D0=BA=D0=B0=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=B9 if on= e prefers; that's auto-translated, so don't blame > me if it's a poor translation). The kinds of symbols that we're > talking about here aren't part of any writing systems, and so to > incorporate them in *names* as if they were is an abuse of Unicode. It does get more complex though, when you could have things like =E9=BB=84=E9=87=91=E5=B1=8E =3D "\U0001f4a9" Like you, I don't expect to ever encounter something like this in the wild, but they are indeed symbols used in a writing system. :-) -tkc