Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.mixmin.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.005 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'english.': 0.04; 'languages.': 0.04; 'explicitly': 0.05; 'insert': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'important,': 0.07; 'mentioned,': 0.07; 'plenty': 0.07; 'culture,': 0.09; 'english,': 0.09; 'sake': 0.09; 'someone,': 0.09; 'subject: [': 0.09; 'subject:language': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'language,': 0.12; 'assume': 0.14; 'language.': 0.14; '(important': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'illiterate': 0.16; 'passport': 0.16; 'slight': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'so.': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'things.': 0.19; 'translated': 0.19; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; '31,': 0.24; 'unicode': 0.24; 'fairly': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'switch': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'url:wiki': 0.31; 'convenience': 0.31; 'dawn': 0.31; 'government,': 0.31; 'url:wikipedia': 0.31; 'there.': 0.32; 'critical': 0.32; 'languages': 0.32; 'maybe': 0.34; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'version': 0.36; 'really': 0.36; 'done': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'form,': 0.38; 'whatever': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'anything': 0.39; 'expect': 0.39; 'either': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'ensure': 0.60; 'even': 0.60; 'documents,': 0.60; 'voice': 0.60; 'traffic': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; "you've": 0.63; 'information': 0.63; 'pick': 0.64; 'phone': 0.66; 'here': 0.66; 'mar': 0.68; 'subject': 0.69; 'email,': 0.69; 'applying': 0.72; 'guaranteed': 0.75; 'sole': 0.78; 'friends': 0.81; 'business,': 0.83; 'subject:this': 0.83; 'directions,': 0.84; 'etc),': 0.84; 'etc,': 0.84; 'non-official': 0.84; 'speaks': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92; 'tough': 0.93; 'subject:OFF': 0.95 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=WEIJyCCWgVbOJSTon+04IydV4Ox+NKXqW+liqiVfn3s=; b=h7SWZy2uBj1shAcCGpR/qqkypPmyYI82BT7h/PxLi+1i9MNrHL2sQsCZPyqTrcvVPe yReBYrLOfKyrRwySJNEUStonpk8uvda3bf0L1WSZBPZ0GL+st1r5OmS0eOTTH9/FXrwy U+hpgXTzIB7C7KtCwMMB5nkrAvDYMm1tPBLLBcthyLbmy6YxxgDtXXnrg7HxAXnQJml+ JDPkvT2Q7GAw3pQNLn5pc3Qsf9CigKlpKbDXRW8i4vwi2vIRZwGwaU1/Bi9b9PgigaAp rlUyLrYikQ3gmfD8zZCugdbuzQxwNatjMrcE+Yabst22u3VZTIg8vJpXtFlnBGALmA2x TFlA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.181.70 with SMTP id du6mr22940244pac.23.1396244696983; Sun, 30 Mar 2014 22:44:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <9daf0806-02de-4447-964c-c8f8953c23e5@googlegroups.com> <532d5bd9$0$29994$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87ior3w740.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <5334c38e$0$29994$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <53364327$0$29994$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <53365F55.2040302@gmail.com> <5337ba48$0$29994$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 16:44:56 +1100 Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Spanish in the USA [was Re: Explanation of this Python language feature?] From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1396244706 news.xs4all.nl 2850 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:42022 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:69408 On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Mark H Harris wrote: > > The main point of the link is the status on English as an official language. > 28 out of 50 states have legislated English as the official language; > meaning, that you either speak and write English, or you're going to have a > really tough time participating in culture, business, government, and > recreation. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_United_States#Official_language_status Considering how much is done to ensure that illiterate people can still comprehend critical information (important signage, warnings, traffic directions, etc, etc, etc), I think we can assume that someone who speaks some language other than English will still manage to do a lot of things. Plus, plenty of official documents are available in many languages; the legislated "official language" just means that the English version is the only one that is guaranteed to be there. Go to any one of the states you've mentioned, where English is the sole official language, and pick up any government form - something fairly important, like applying for a passport or something. How many languages is it available in? They might all be on the same form, or maybe you have to explicitly request it in Spanish, but I expect it'll be translated into several non-official languages for the convenience of those whose English isn't as good as their (switch to GLaDOS voice) Insert Subject Native Language Here (switch voice back). But none of this has anything to do with the original point, namely that there are people who communicate in other languages. Even if you have to learn English for the sake of official documents, you won't necessarily want to chat with your friends in English. If you pick up the phone and talk to someone, you can use whatever language you want; if you switch to email, chances are you still can. And that's something that's been true since the dawn of email, which predates Unicode by a slight margin... of a decade or so. ChrisA