Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.005 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'logo.': 0.05; 'shipped': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'anderson': 0.07; 'mouse': 0.07; 'referring': 0.07; 'facilitates': 0.09; 'means,': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject:language': 0.09; 'windows': 0.15; 'complicated,': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'happily': 0.16; 'microsoft...': 0.16; 'mine.': 0.16; 'operates': 0.16; 'penguin': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'url:gnome': 0.16; 'which,': 0.16; 'sat,': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'looked': 0.18; 'typing': 0.19; 'input': 0.22; 'select': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'alternate': 0.24; 'keyboard': 0.24; 'unicode': 0.24; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'url:code': 0.29; 'characters': 0.30; 'sets': 0.30; 'subject:list': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'url:wiki': 0.31; 'controlled': 0.31; 'end,': 0.31; 'keys': 0.31; 'url:category': 0.31; 'url:wikipedia': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'quite': 0.32; 'minimal': 0.33; 'actual': 0.34; 'subject: (': 0.35; "can't": 0.35; 'except': 0.35; 'no,': 0.35; 'method': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'easily': 0.37; 'ben': 0.38; 'mine': 0.38; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'moving': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'called': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'lower': 0.61; 'url:3': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'url:p': 0.64; 'become': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'url:help': 0.67; 'mar': 0.68; 'useful.': 0.68; 'usa': 0.69; 'home': 0.69; 'repeat': 0.74; 'url:page': 0.74; 'subject:this': 0.83; 'inexpensive': 0.84; 'manufactured': 0.84; 'received:125': 0.84; 'writing,': 0.84; 'affiliation': 0.91; 'logo,': 0.91; 'stickers': 0.91; 'hands': 0.96 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: Keyboard standards (was: Explanation of this Python language feature? [x for x in x for x in x] (to flatten a nested list)) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 15:18:30 +1100 References: <9daf0806-02de-4447-964c-c8f8953c23e5@googlegroups.com> <532d5bd9$0$29994$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87ior3w740.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <5334c38e$0$29994$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jigong.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xBD41714B X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 9CFE 12B0 791A 4267 887F 520C B7AC 2E51 BD41 714B X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-gpg.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:fQx4ecqikhtoA6ZNaSY+4mCqaEs= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 56 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1396066726 news.xs4all.nl 2903 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:57423 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:69307 Mark H Harris writes: > > On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 8:18 AM, Mark H Harris wrote: > >> We need a standard input system not controlled by Microsoft... > > […] Does your keyboard have the "Windows" emblem|logo on the meta > key(s) on lower right, lower left? No, mine has a Tux logo, because it was shipped that way from Think Penguin and the key you're referring to operates as the “Super” key in GNU+Linux. Quite useful. My desktop keyboard is constructed from the Model M buckling-spring design . That means, among other advantages, that the key caps are designed to be easily replaceable with parts from different manufacturers. Model M keyboards are now manufactured in Lexington, USA by Unicomp . They ship internationally, which is how I got mine. Unicomp will happily sell you one in various layouts without the Windows logo. They can even do a key set with the Ctrl and Caps Lock keys swapped to where they should be, and the Super key printed with a “Tux” logo . On the inexpensive end, Think Penguin will also happily ship Tux logo stickers to go on top of the Super key . (I have no affiliation with Think Penguin nor Unicomp, except as a happy repeat customer.) > No, I want a standard unicode keyboard (a standard specification > for a unicode keyboard) that facilitates unicode typing with minimal > actual keys and standard key maps for alternate sets that may be > easily selected without a mouse and without moving the hands from the > home row. I can't help you with that, exactly. However, I type unicode characters with an Input Method engine called IBus , which is now in Gnome as a standard part of the interface. I can select various IBus input methods depending on the purpose or language for which I'm writing, and they make it predictable and memorable to get the right characters. -- \ “I have yet to see any problem, however complicated, which, | `\ when you looked at it in the right way, did not become still | _o__) more complicated.” —Paul Anderson | Ben Finney