Path: csiph.com!optima2.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!1.eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed8.news.xs4all.nl!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'needed,': 0.05; 'everybody,': 0.07; 'reason,': 0.07; 'subject:code': 0.07; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.09; 'creator': 0.09; 'creighton': 0.09; 'portable': 0.09; 'received:openend.se': 0.09; 'received:theraft.openend.se': 0.09; 'do,': 0.15; 'wed,': 0.15; 'producing': 0.15; '>on': 0.16; 'cc:addr:lac': 0.16; 'cc:addr:openend.se': 0.16; 'everybody.': 0.16; "format'": 0.16; 'from:addr:lac': 0.16; 'from:addr:openend.se': 0.16; 'from:name:laura creighton': 0.16; 'message-id:@fido.openend.se': 0.16; 'overnight.': 0.16; 'readable': 0.16; 'received:89.233': 0.16; 'received:89.233.217': 0.16; 'received:89.233.217.133': 0.16; 'received:fido': 0.16; 'received:fido.openend.se': 0.16; 'relish': 0.16; 'unfair': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'laura': 0.18; 'hack': 0.18; '2015': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.20; 'prevent': 0.20; 'cc:2**1': 0.22; 'do.': 0.22; "aren't": 0.22; 'claiming': 0.22; 'disabled': 0.22; 'am,': 0.23; 'nearly': 0.23; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'rest': 0.26; 'possibility': 0.27; 'received:se': 0.29; 'cc:no real name:2**1': 0.29; 'subject:/': 0.30; 'somebody': 0.30; 'problem': 0.33; 'bought': 0.33; 'choices': 0.33; 'changing': 0.34; 'could': 0.35; 'appearance': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; "isn't": 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'expect': 0.37; 'pdf': 0.37; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.37; 'wanted': 0.37; 'wrong': 0.38; 'end': 0.39; 'means': 0.39; 'some': 0.40; 'hope': 0.61; 'entire': 0.61; 'header:Message-Id:1': 0.61; 'documents': 0.61; 'back': 0.62; 'policy': 0.63; 'times': 0.63; 'within': 0.64; 'adobe': 0.66; 'rare': 0.66; 'readers': 0.66; 'jul': 0.72; 'bulk': 0.76; 'received:89': 0.80; 'her.': 0.84; 'pdf.': 0.84; 'pdfs': 0.84; 'absolutely': 0.88; 'edwards': 0.91; 'political': 0.97 To: Grant Edwards cc: python-list@python.org, lac@openend.se From: Laura Creighton Subject: Re: Can I copy/paste Python code? In-Reply-To: Message from Grant Edwards of "Wed, 22 Jul 2015 13:54:22 -0000." References: <0f0c6018-50e7-4e95-a798-313d767ce177@googlegroups.com> <55aee7a8$0$1637$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <24848.1437575842.1@fido> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 16:37:22 +0200 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.9 (theraft.openend.se [89.233.217.130]); Wed, 22 Jul 2015 16:37:24 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 49 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1437575851 news.xs4all.nl 2889 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:39626 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:94368 In a message of Wed, 22 Jul 2015 13:54:22 -0000, Grant Edwards writes: >On 2015-07-22, Laura Creighton wrote: > >> She's absolutely stuck with the font choices somebody >> else made for everybody, > >Once again, that is the whole _point_ of PDF. > >> and they aren't right for her. > >> And this is way it is with the bulk of problems I end up having >> to deal with from people who get pdfs and have problems reading >> them -- what they want to do is outside of the range of what >> they are allowed to do. > >The entire purpose of PDF is to prevent people from changing the >format and appearance of documents. > >-- >Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards Yow! I hope I bought the > at right relish ... zzzzzzzzz > gmail.com ... >-- My problem isn't that I don't understand this, my problem is that I think this is, in nearly all cases, morally the wrong thing to do. And very often not what the document creator wanted in the first place -- they are using 'the Portable Document Format' because they expect it to be readable by everybody. And the upshot of this is that people send me PDFs that they cannot use for some reason, and I get out reportlab and hack the PDF to be something they can use, and send it back to them -- which I can pretty much always do, unless the PDF uses a lot of bitmaps. So this means that producing a reader that could do exactly what I do is well within the abilities of Adobe. But people who aren't as technologically sophisticated as I am, or who don't have access to such a person have to suffer. This is not a tehcnical limitation, but a political one. Should Adobe get hit with a ton of lawsuits from disabled people claiming unfair discrimination, they could change this policy overnight. Have the possibility of unchanging documents for the very rare times when that is wanted and indeed needed, and the rest of the time let the readers look at their docs any way they like. Laura