Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Chris Angelico Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Why not allow empty code blocks? 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In the 1980s we were all running in 64KB to 640KB of memory. 128MB might be what a well-endowed mainframe might have had!) Yes, and we didn't have Python then. When I had a computer with 640KB of memory, my options were (1) BASIC or (2) 8086 assembly language, using DEBUG.EXE and its mini-assembler. Later on (much much later), I added C to the available languages, but it was tedious and annoying, because one tiny change meant minutes of compilation. Also, I had to fit everything inside 20MB of hard disk space, which was shared with my brother. I'm not sure whether 128MB is work memory or total storage, but I would suspect the latter. The idea of a sourceless Python distribution isn't to cut down on RAM usage but storage, if I understand correctly. ChrisA