Path: csiph.com!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed8.news.xs4all.nl!nzpost1.xs4all.net!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.069 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.86; '*S*': 0.00; 'works.': 0.07; 'cc:addr :python-list': 0.09; '22,': 0.09; 'python': 0.10; 'wed,': 0.15; 'server,': 0.15; 'thu,': 0.15; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'planet,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; '2015': 0.20; 'cc:2**0': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.20; 'am,': 0.23; 'sets': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'hosting': 0.25; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'liable': 0.27; 'host': 0.28; 'archives': 0.29; 'read,': 0.29; "i'm": 0.30; 'law.': 0.30; 'posts': 0.30; 'point': 0.33; "d'aprano": 0.33; 'european': 0.33; 'steven': 0.33; 'server': 0.34; 'list': 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'i.e.': 0.35; 'apply.': 0.36; 'hosted': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'really': 0.37; 'someone': 0.38; 'mailing': 0.38; 'material': 0.39; 'along': 0.39; 'where': 0.40; 'john': 0.61; 'believe': 0.66; 'foreign': 0.69; 'dangerous': 0.70; 'europe': 0.71; 'country': 0.74; '+1100': 0.84; '11:45': 0.84; 'chrisa': 0.84; 'moot': 0.84; 'regarded': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.91; 'download.': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=vqcnJJrYBcCaJQQfrcnV2S1QX7/WH1H43QwvsSzjkvQ=; b=uODqpduv9yJwuBi2YPPDN1Pq3Sgg3S7QCY1M2pidsGu5YqH7j0McuVuGOZABoBxcBD 0yvfOsGleny9R2j3+N6xsujd8nLm7dXJmMBgkgQ1moMAo9gmgKsZapaAw1Uwxl6m5cTn sa11CTvf3yTP3239cocH6sw5u6KXfCBVcXDFlFYDL1YLOhAaoJqxLV4ev1DIV+v24Hx1 doZwVqOArU3KF67cAOzGVQkZupgGUNajwFVWVlmfU4tbGRH6yP0cZbU/+u1HT0e0tX1P PAvsGvWDecU6hrPQHLtACsFdvMvC5xOu2DVG2iRyTT0zghGOU1TwLBZGGBrfV704eM4H 7vZw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.41.74 with SMTP id d10mr15878297igl.94.1445501104137; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 01:05:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20151022114508.1b95c332@mini.home> References: <1454496840.1661921445200299637.JavaMail.httpd@webmail-50.iol.local> <56263cfe$0$1616$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <20151022114508.1b95c332@mini.home> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 19:05:04 +1100 Subject: Re: Defamation From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1445501108 news.xs4all.nl 23812 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:38622 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:97884 On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:45 AM, John O'Hagan wrote: > On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 00:09:18 +1100 > Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > >> I don't believe that the Python mailing list archives are hosted in a >> country under the jurisdiction of European Law. If I'm right, then >> removing posts sets a dangerous precedent of obeying laws in foreign >> countries that don't apply. > > For better or worse, that's not how defamation law works. Generally, > the defaming is regarded as happening where the material is read, i.e. > at the point of download. The location of upload, hosting etc is > irrelevant, although the uploader and the host can both be liable > along with the author. Of course, the point is moot if none of those > people has assets in that jurisdiction. So... someone in Europe who rents a server in the US has to worry about defamation law in literally every country on this planet, or else IP-ban people from accessing the server, just in case s/he's liable? Is that really how this works? Ouch. ChrisA