Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.mixmin.net!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!ecngs!feeder2.ecngs.de!217.188.199.168.MISMATCH!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.018 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; 'fixes': 0.07; 'problem:': 0.07; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'finney': 0.16; 'herself': 0.16; 'matters,': 0.16; 'messy': 0.16; 'programmers.': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'suppose.': 0.16; 'fix': 0.17; 'library': 0.18; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'rid': 0.24; 'sort': 0.25; 'first,': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'wonder': 0.29; 'nature': 0.30; 'away.': 0.31; 'bad.': 0.31; 'with,': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'themselves': 0.32; "we're": 0.32; 'are:': 0.33; 'problem': 0.35; 'subject: (': 0.35; 'basic': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'reality': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'too': 0.37; 'problems': 0.38; 'ben': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'days': 0.60; 'easy': 0.60; 'entire': 0.61; 'course': 0.61; 'real': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'world': 0.66; 'received:125': 0.84; 'us?': 0.84; '\xe2\x80\xa6': 0.84; 'edwards': 0.91; 'serious': 0.97 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: Re: YADTR (Yet Another DateTime Rant) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 07:06:17 +1100 References: <1102ec6b-6205-40f4-bb7c-d40f9d13115b@googlegroups.com> <87a9cdx87t.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jigong.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xBD41714B X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 9CFE 12B0 791A 4267 887F 520C B7AC 2E51 BD41 714B X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-gpg.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:rfZeaikDRZEj0CdfEWhpzANi4t4= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1395864394 news.xs4all.nl 2944 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:40546 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:69142 Grant Edwards writes: > We're still just papering-over the basic problem: the entire > time/calendar system use by "western civilization" is a mess. I don't > know a lot about other systems in use, but from what I have seen they > were all pretty much just as bad. We should fix the basic problem > first, then I bet the Python library problems will sort themselves out > pretty easily. I see from my calendar that 1 April is still several days away. So I wonder how serious you are: we should forestall dealing with the reality of calendars, until the world fixes our difficulties for us? > Of course to simplify matters, we're going to have to stop worrying so > much about seasons and whether it's light or dark outside... Not too serious, I suppose. So what *do* you recommend we do? It's easy to point at the real world and say it's messy and distasteful to deal with, but that's a big part of the job we take on as programmers. -- \ “… Nature … is seen to do all things Herself and through | `\ herself of own accord, rid of all gods.” —Titus Lucretius | _o__) Carus, c. 40 BCE | Ben Finney