Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!cs.uu.nl!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'operator': 0.03; 'mrab': 0.05; 'much!': 0.05; 'received:134': 0.05; 'root': 0.05; 'identifier': 0.09; 'operator,': 0.09; 'pep': 0.09; 'language.': 0.14; '"in"': 0.16; '"is"': 0.16; 'identifier.': 0.16; 'identifiers.': 0.16; 'integers.': 0.16; 'notation': 0.16; 'operator.': 0.16; 'prohibit': 0.16; 'subject:unicode': 0.16; 'underscore.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'seems': 0.21; '(the': 0.22; '>>>': 0.22; 'programming': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'mathematical': 0.24; 'number)': 0.24; 'unicode': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; '(this': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; '>>>>': 0.31; 'constant': 0.31; 'explained': 0.31; 'operators': 0.31; 'could': 0.34; 'something': 0.35; 'no,': 0.35; 'acceptable': 0.36; 'doing': 0.36; 'thanks': 0.36; "i'll": 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'positive': 0.37; 'too': 0.37; 'convention': 0.38; 'e.g.': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'extended': 0.61; 'course': 0.61; 'name': 0.63; 'kind': 0.63; 'such': 0.63; '(that': 0.65; 'chinese': 0.74; 'square': 0.74; 'introduce': 0.78; '8.2': 0.84; 'characters,': 0.84; 'ethan': 0.84; 'furman': 0.84; 'pardon': 0.84 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqEEAFOUMlOGuA9G/2dsb2JhbABZhyO8XYMOgTCDGQEBAQQjDwFFEQsYAgIFFgsCAgkDAgECAUUTCAKHda0Ym2uGRheBKYxwXxaCWYFJBJhNhjaLfYMvgWg Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 09:52:25 +0100 From: Antoon Pardon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: unicode as valid naming symbols References: <5331D902.3030902@gmail.com> <53320793.8070501@stoneleaf.us> <533241C0.8020109@mrabarnett.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <533241C0.8020109@mrabarnett.plus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1395823948 news.xs4all.nl 2857 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:59413 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:69109 On 26-03-14 03:56, MRAB wrote: > On 2014-03-25 22:47, Ethan Furman wrote: >> On 03/25/2014 12:29 PM, Mark H Harris wrote: >>> On 3/25/14 2:24 PM, MRAB wrote: >>>> It's explained in PEP 3131. >>>> >>>> Basically, a name should to start with a letter (this has been >>>> extended >>>> to include Chinese characters, etc) or an underscore. >>>> >>>> λ is a classified as Lowercase_Letter. >>>> >>>> √ is classified as Math_Symbol. >>> >>> Thanks much! I'll note that for improvements. Any unicode >>> symbol (that is not a number) should be allowed as an >>> identifier. >> >> No, it shouldn't. Doing so would mean we could not use √ as the >> square root operator in the future. >> > Or as a root operator, e.g. 3 √ x (the cube root of x). > Personally I would think such an operator is too limited to include in a programming language. This kind of notation is only used with a constant to indicate what kind of root is taken and only with positive integers. Something like the equivallent of the following I have never seen. t = 2.5 x = 8.2 y = t √ x Of course we don't have to follow mathematical convention with python. However allowing any unicode symbol as an identifier doesn't prohibit from using √ as an operator. We do have "in" and "is" as operators now, even if they would otherwise be acceptable identifiers. So I wonder, would you consider to introduce log as an operator. 2 log x seems an interesting operation for a programmer. -- Antoon Pardon