Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.mixmin.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.007 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'context': 0.07; 'extent': 0.07; 'subject:language': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'language,': 0.12; 'language.': 0.14; 'contexts,': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'readable': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'subject:?)': 0.16; 'subject:unicode': 0.16; 'symbols': 0.16; 'written.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; 'written,': 0.19; 'programming': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'mathematical': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'easier': 0.31; '25,': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'should': 0.36; 'pm,': 0.38; 'little': 0.38; 'bad': 0.39; 'read': 0.60; 'matter': 0.61; 'skip:* 10': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'times': 0.62; 'making': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'worth': 0.66; 'mar': 0.68; 'subject:this': 0.83; 'pardon': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=8Ir5c56hEXD4HoSGZIxtmkiLLEwFVC0IEU+Izio6/iQ=; b=DJTdYfHGFxK0WmGOUrbE+Ka+MmXJCW8xODEbb8AcrjsNt0O1IWBiXH7U0teX6wZQLh wzQ16Mpfmno5cP689G2DiNIRoPqYtYCGRHWbeM8FmZhGK08JJJDTNdbI67MNTjnvAk3K CZ9cDOX7BRZVCAnoIzNk4lllRB4XMQm+cQgLymfrM499a9dqvKXqEtMRO4Y161g2WJHS Du51Vpq6tjE/DOvQGMtIOIcPqY3z2KL1j4R7NHCP7zdNc9+b3gHL+k+aupKh62YRgRyp PnhXzTMleJT6U+rO1u1Kk/BupgCI79tksIMbuXFKCXCCSDb4F5zXQR43Bns0NbYOqnfg M6fw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.201.10 with SMTP id jw10mr77518567pbc.25.1395741291835; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 02:54:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <53314FC1.2010603@rece.vub.ac.be> References: <9daf0806-02de-4447-964c-c8f8953c23e5@googlegroups.com> <532d5bd9$0$29994$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <0b78649a-16b3-4410-8258-e859578d62be@googlegroups.com> <281c8ce1-4f03-4e93-b5cd-d45b85e89e7e@googlegroups.com> <53314FC1.2010603@rece.vub.ac.be> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 20:54:51 +1100 Subject: Re: Time we switched to unicode? (was Explanation of this Python language feature?) From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1395741301 news.xs4all.nl 2976 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:58050 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:69002 On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 8:43 PM, Antoon Pardon wrote: > I thought programs were read more than written. So if writing is made > a bit more problematic but the result is more readable because we are > able to use symbols that are already familiar from other contexts, I > would say it is worth it. It's a matter of extents. If code is read ten times for every time it's written, making it twenty times harder to write and a little bit easier to read is still a bad tradeoff. Also: To what extent IS that symbol familiar from some other context? Are you using Python as a programming language, or should you perhaps be using a mathematical front-end? Not everything needs to perfectly match what anyone from any other context will expect. This is, first and foremost, a *programming* language. ChrisA