Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'sufficient': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'literal': 0.09; 'subject:language': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'dictionaries': 0.16; 'forty': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'is;': 0.16; 'notation': 0.16; 'scratch': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'subject:?)': 0.16; 'subject:unicode': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'things.': 0.19; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'sets': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'easier': 0.31; '25,': 0.31; 'operators': 0.31; 'probably': 0.32; "i'd": 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'mine': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'short': 0.38; 'read': 0.60; 'new': 0.61; 'more': 0.64; 'mar': 0.68; 'subject:this': 0.83; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=a9DyEAaPsbJRXMzo2/bIih2A0hOzi4LRIW+SyW+OywM=; b=AkvYo5+0lxMu2+0B9IKtBpWxHItE6L7Lq5zHF4h55z7arsKLElXWJyUfg1kzryUQus mTMp84Yowj/NJ0cVuXEwn4a+lD+tIkWya0QSMpoz3tlzLWQH9uRrIy1gMXfXImQZ2rMn uyi/5E62O+e9UoX0AIenOdCYcEhl1D7zH+0l+F7ATejELS8MnT5U5Ol2AE75Axbaw/D/ Xndvz4BAz3UMZX1R+1/htpEJE2ZBaD19F4oXRAiA27PysXaZ3BNYxa/SMUhsA+4et+cE WJgpP4AL1WTXrbpU09RDpDWv835eKIG2+UZXeKBgsvIAMwbblaxiQiLBgrJ1n0gaednc 6e8w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.11.66 with SMTP id o2mr8756251pab.142.1395730253364; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 23:50:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <592062d8-37a1-4f80-a9db-b3b17a6215b9@googlegroups.com> References: <9daf0806-02de-4447-964c-c8f8953c23e5@googlegroups.com> <10101874-2995-4acd-9851-989603f052e3@googlegroups.com> <532d5bd9$0$29994$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <0b78649a-16b3-4410-8258-e859578d62be@googlegroups.com> <53311887$0$2756$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com> <8b4fd4f8-f626-4b0d-8bda-6b6813ca7403@googlegroups.com> <592062d8-37a1-4f80-a9db-b3b17a6215b9@googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 17:50:53 +1100 Subject: Re: Time we switched to unicode? (was Explanation of this Python language feature?) From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1395730256 news.xs4all.nl 2862 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:47593 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:68986 On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Rustom Mody wrote: > ALl of which is isomorphic to Steven's point that forty is less > eyeballable than 40 > > And mine that =E2=88=85 is more eyeballable than set([]) I don't disagree that it is; the short tokens are easier to read in quantity. I just don't think that it's sufficient to justify piles of new and hard-to-look-up operators and things. (And a literal notation for an empty set would be a good thing. If I were designing a Python-like language from scratch now, I'd probably differentiate sets and dictionaries better, which would allow each one to have its own empty literal.) ChrisA