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(was Explanation of this Python language feature?) From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1395729208 news.xs4all.nl 2977 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:35939 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:68981 On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Rustom Mody wrote: > Something that Chris may relate to: > > You type a music score into lilypond > Then call lilypond to convert it into standard western staff notation > > Why not put up the lilypond (ASCII) directly on the piano/organ when you = play? > > This is far from rhetorical... ABC,Guido,etc (not python's!) have some > claim to be *musically* (not just textually) readable and easier to > master than standard staff notation > > Still for someone > - used to staff notation > - under the standard presumptions of western music: > -- harmony > -- spelling c# =E2=89=A0 d=E2=99=AD > -- a note is a note ie C to D is as much a note as D to E > > staff notation is hard to beat I wouldn't say it's hard to beat... I happily beat time while looking at staff notation! (Of course, I shouldn't beat time. He doesn't like that.) Staff notation isn't perfect by any means (and there've been various projects to improve on it), but it's a lot better than the "source code" form in Lilypond. This is partly because my source code tends to look at multiple (often four) separate lines of harmony, often plus a separate line of chords, but when I'm playing, I want to be able to eyeball all of it at once. But I've used WYSIWYG notation editors plenty, and *for note entry* they offer me nothing above Lilypond's notation. I don't yearn to be able to scribble notes on a paper staff, scan it in, and have that functional. I don't look back with longing at NoteWorthy Composer (for which I do own a license, and could probably hunt down the install CD if I tried). There's a huge difference between the two. ChrisA