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From: Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: HELP!! How to ask a girl out with a simple witty Python code??
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2015 03:59:38 +0000
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On 06/03/2015 03:23, Ben Finney wrote:
> Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> writes:
>
>> Ben Finney wrote:
>>
>>> “get their panties all up in a bunch” is a gendered slur.
>>
>> Why do you interpret that as insulting to women merely on the basis of
>> being *female*?
>
> I think your question is in bad faith. You know as well as I do, and I'm
> confident the person who wrote the slur knows, that “panties” strongly
> connotes *female* underwear.
>
>> It seems to me that far from challenging sexual stereotypes,
>> mainstream feminist thought actually *reinforces* it: as evidence, you
>> assumed that only women wear panties, therefore any reference to
>> panty-wearing is therefore a slur on women.
>
> No. I'm saying that it's clear the person saying “get their panties all
> up in a bunch” fully intends to convey specifically *female* underwear,
> and thereby to use implied femininity as an insult.
>
> Yes, of course I know some people who aren't female wear panties. Yes,
> of course I know some women wear underwear that isn't panties. Don't try
> to change the topic with absurd logical extremes that I didn't raise.
>
> I'm talking about the implication of the comment as a gendered insult.
>
>> It's only gender specific if you accept the sexist gendered stereotype
>> that all women are by definition thin-skinned and excessively
>> sensitive.
>
> Bullshit. I said nothing about the sensitivity of anyone. Individual
> women you may know – even *all* women, everywhere – could be as tough as
> nails, and it doesn't address the point I'm raising.
>
> Whether any particular woman is targeted or not, the comment I'm
> responding to invokes female gender as an implied insult. That's
> unwelcoming to women, and I don't want such unwelcoming attitudes in
> this community.
>

I'd rather be reading about the 4,773 open issues on the bug tracker. 
As I consider this rather more important than some completely tangential 
load of cobblers, would you and MR D'Aprano be kind enough to go and 
have your 12, 3 minute rounds elsewhere, thanks?

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence