Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.008 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; '(at': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; '(especially': 0.07; 'components,': 0.09; 'dst': 0.09; 'subject:language': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; '+11': 0.16; '365': 0.16; 'dots': 0.16; 'finishes': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'likely.': 0.16; 'planet,': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'subject:?)': 0.16; 'subject:unicode': 0.16; 'unambiguous': 0.16; 'utc': 0.16; 'utc,': 0.16; 'weird': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'year,': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; 'normally': 0.19; 'preferred': 0.22; 'putting': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'people,': 0.24; '(or': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'least': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'words': 0.29; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'posting': 0.31; '25,': 0.31; 'commonly': 0.31; 'way?': 0.31; 'yes.': 0.31; "we're": 0.32; 'entirely': 0.33; 'could': 0.34; 'no,': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'dates': 0.36; "he's": 0.36; 'east': 0.36; "i'll": 0.36; 'possible': 0.36; 'behind': 0.37; 'seconds': 0.37; 'list': 0.37; 'pm,': 0.38; 'anything': 0.39; 'users': 0.40; 'most': 0.60; 'traffic': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'back': 0.62; 'different': 0.65; 'world': 0.66; 'hours': 0.66; 'here': 0.66; 'between': 0.67; 'mar': 0.68; 'night,': 0.68; 'shortly': 0.68; "today's": 0.70; 'business': 0.70; 'subject:this': 0.83; 'formats:': 0.84; 'mailer': 0.84; 'presumably': 0.84; 'python-dev': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=l/PTD7wRmBJP2XnpkWc91yRprfuzIDScweaf5FHfRNk=; b=PDMXOKUfucC8u0na4en5eg8QkYUUTHio/v+1x9ilDUoi88k1M8uWnMshk8UaA182zd aRjeAmhlPLu0al5AM5lzMwiZ3kwHO9GOplO0frbf97yTpjbb7AepO542xTG3QChbOhM+ 3NoxceJeGRSZUuMAgzF33lA5EJB6KlX6lqQmeVDSzhqL4oGBEhyaBlRbOq5PuH3TA0/t m7OrF0DqHJW1xouiLOOrzDX0Hp9tK0kYDp9ZxUPNERA+dnSFVIvVHJnGteNkVHoJp8Y2 cs/zJ1rnrozbqLjqwnoSP85a/sbG1poNnS/zZejM2qAJAShnNAjmozv+1JePOA/+eLJq ODog== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.235.6 with SMTP id ui6mr74705090pbc.45.1395728350350; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 23:19:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <9daf0806-02de-4447-964c-c8f8953c23e5@googlegroups.com> <532d5bd9$0$29994$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <0b78649a-16b3-4410-8258-e859578d62be@googlegroups.com> <281c8ce1-4f03-4e93-b5cd-d45b85e89e7e@googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 17:19:10 +1100 Subject: Re: Time we switched to unicode? (was Explanation of this Python language feature?) From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1395728360 news.xs4all.nl 2966 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:50903 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:68977 On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Mark H Harris wrote: > On 3/25/14 12:48 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: >> >> Yup. Welcome to timezones. I'm UTC +11 here, although we'll drop back >> to +10 shortly as DST finishes (yay!). It's currently 0547 UTC, so >> you're presumably five hours behind UTC, which would put you east >> coast USA, most likely. (Especially since your mailer is putting the >> dates as mm/dd/yy, which is an abomination peculiar to Americans.) > > > No, we're already DST; so we're normally UTC -6, now UTC -5. We're CDST > Minnesota (Southeast) > > Its entirely weird working with people all over the world in seconds 24-7 > 365 (we're on one tiny planet, you know?) It is one small planet, in many ways, yes. Plus, as well as timezones, you have different people working different schedules. Some of us are active in the weird hours of the night, others might be posting from work (a good bit of python-dev traffic right now involves one of Red Hat's Python people, so it's entirely possible he's posting during business hours his time), and others will be active here during their evenings. Net result: The list never goes quiet! >> (Especially since your mailer is putting the >> dates as mm/dd/yy, which is an abomination peculiar to Americans.) > > > I did not know that; so is 25 Mar 2014 the preferred way? Putting the month in words is unambiguous (at least among users of the Gregorian calendar or its derivatives). For numeric dates, there are broadly three competing formats: d/m/y, m/d/y, and y/m/d. (Or using dots or hyphens between the components, or in the case of y/m/d, no separator at all - I'll write today's date as 20140325 in some contexts.) Of them, y/m/d is both the clearest and the least commonly used; with a four-digit year, there's no way it could be confused for anything else. ChrisA