Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'attribute': 0.05; 'model,': 0.05; 'attributes': 0.07; 'read-only': 0.07; 'try:': 0.07; 'python': 0.09; '@property': 0.09; 'attribute.': 0.09; 'compute': 0.09; 'guys!': 0.09; "object's": 0.09; 'part,': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'sep': 0.09; 'subclass': 0.09; 'terry': 0.09; 'underscore': 0.09; 'def': 0.10; 'java,': 0.15; 'attribute,': 0.16; 'attributes.': 0.16; 'examples:': 0.16; 'java.': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'jan': 0.18; 'define': 0.20; 'error.': 0.21; 'constant': 0.22; 'needed.': 0.23; 'external': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'am,': 0.27; 'c++': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.28; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.28; 'all.': 0.28; 'chris': 0.28; 'class': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'classes': 0.30; 'usually': 0.30; 'unlike': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; "can't": 0.34; 'pm,': 0.35; 'subject:?': 0.35; 'received:org': 0.36; 'really': 0.36; 'except': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'available.': 0.37; 'bad': 0.37; 'correctly': 0.37; 'quite': 0.37; 'data': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'things': 0.38; 'nothing': 0.38; 'instead': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'skip:" 10': 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'think': 0.40; 'most': 0.61; 'leading': 0.61; 'save': 0.61; 'provide': 0.62; 'more': 0.63; 'customized': 0.64; 'touch': 0.69; 'fact,': 0.69; 'yourself': 0.77; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.84; 'habit': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: how to use property? Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:34:52 -0400 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-75-251-66.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 52 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1347924911 news.xs4all.nl 6946 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:38403 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:29394 On 9/17/2012 6:12 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Fernando Jim=C3=A9nez wrote: >> Hi guys! >> >> I'm noob in python and I would know how to correctly use the property.= I >> have read some things about it but I do not quite understand. >> >> But I think it's a bad habit to use _ to change the visibility of the >> attributes as in JAVA. >> >> How to correctly use the property? > > The single leading underscore is nothing to do with visibility; it's a > courteous request that external referents not touch something. In a > "consenting adults" model, that's usually sufficient. > > For the most part, in fact, you don't need @property at all. Just make > an object's members public and save yourself the trouble! Unlike the > recommendation in C++ and Java, Python doesn't ask you to hide things > and write code to make them available. Instead of starting with > getters and setters, just start with a flat property, and move to > getters/setters only when you find you need them. More examples: A class has a data attribute that really is a simple attribute, no=20 property. You define a subclass that needs a calculation for the=20 attribute. So you use property in the subclass. A class has an attribute that is a constant that must be computed. You=20 do not want to compute is unless and until needed. def get_x(self): try: return self._x except AttributeError: self._x =3D calculate_x() return self._ For a read-only attribute, don't provide a setter. If you do not like=20 "AttributeError: can't set attribute", provide one with a customized erro= r. But I think most of the data attributes in stdlib classes are straight=20 attributes. --=20 Terry Jan Reedy