Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.mixmin.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.008 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'cpython': 0.05; 'subject:Question': 0.07; 'imply': 0.09; 'interim': 0.09; 'occasionally': 0.09; 'subject:Source': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python- list': 0.11; 'changes': 0.15; '24,': 0.16; 'cheap,': 0.16; 'distinct': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'pushed': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; 'cheap': 0.19; 'commit': 0.19; 'work,': 0.20; '(in': 0.22; 'separate': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'either.': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'developers': 0.25; 'suggested': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'related': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'said,': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'lines': 0.31; 'branches': 0.31; 'sense': 0.34; 'maybe': 0.34; 'could': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'doing': 0.36; 'improving': 0.38; 'stable': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'little': 0.38; 'improved': 0.60; "you're": 0.61; 'more': 0.64; 'between': 0.67; 'mar': 0.68; '2-3': 0.68; 'default': 0.69; 'faster.': 0.84; 'history,': 0.84; 'subject:Control': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92; 'state.': 0.95 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=r0uhSmL99Jv4HqsaPKuS8lCE0/Cvs6oIhEqGILz6oEU=; b=dPB9l2uqUAarvNWx6Yl4VuyG4exiWquoShDkm6L27WhFbBNs3FxmLEA66DIQ0MA+XF 8hHpkd8YfZ6tmHyNA/lXaI7UozmK/Hi4s/pbCtsn21GWCCPEMNV2JlX5Z8/CFcNuBPAQ FptMsO3zMvzMH4jmHpfZq73ssB4U1IPLNtYBssYSoaTyBc4MVieZb+PDnbpIjqi7eeKY cDsxweOB5JD71is3Z/tueAbM8njdC16pgaMhynsca3L0UF1UZmTLoul1AXV6t7EZaiEF Cbl6csOcR59QYpoYFKklHnl/SwYCZuG7kzIQMer0tD+YZs2EziIrph1mE6H46uaGJ+Rl FGGg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.190.163 with SMTP id gr3mr69026300pbc.103.1395626694946; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 19:04:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <532dc915$0$24914$e4fe514c@dreader36.news.xs4all.nl> <20140322134917.080bada6@bigbox.christie.dr> <1395518482.78665.YahooMailNeo@web163804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1395586700.55921.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:04:54 +1100 Subject: Re: Question about Source Control From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1395626704 news.xs4all.nl 2897 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:41636 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:68836 On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > With multiple branches (as with 2.7, 3.4, and default for cpython) and > multiple active developers (20?) commiting to those brances, commits are > definitely not free. I would not exactly call them as cheap as you seem to > imply either. That said, I have occasionally pushed interim changes that put > code in an improved and stable state. > > N. Coughlan has suggested improving the cpython infrastructure and > procedures to reduce the cost of commits to encourage more people to make > more commits (in the sense of more lines changed, not more pieces) and > improve cpython faster. When I call them cheap, what I mean is that there's little difference between a single commit and 2-3 commits as a group. Yes, there's a bit more difference when you're cherry-picking them to other branches, and maybe an infrastructure/procedure change could help with that; but once they're there in history, it doesn't hurt to have three separate commits doing related work, keeping the distinct parts distinct. ChrisA