Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Christopher Reimer Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Education [was Re: for / while else doesn't make sense] Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 08:51:05 -0700 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <573EC62F.4090401@lucidity.plus.com> <75115580-7a63-4cfb-9689-28eb84b580a0@googlegroups.com> <574032db$0$22142$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 8PwpT3PXkchza3HLul5J+w/W/BrB6bhSCct5//dTeKTw== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: UNSURE 0.252 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.50; '*S*': 0.00; 'part,': 0.09; 'subject:while': 0.09; '2016': 0.16; 'bonus.': 0.16; 'dismiss': 0.16; 'pulling': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'subject:make': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'am,': 0.23; 'code,': 0.23; 'sat,': 0.23; 'written': 0.24; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'chris': 0.26; 'received:17': 0.27; 'subject: [': 0.29; 'summary': 0.29; 'code': 0.30; 'everyone': 0.31; 'received:10.0.0': 0.32; "d'aprano": 0.33; 'proposals': 0.33; 'steven': 0.33; 'received:10.0': 0.34; 'that,': 0.34; 'machines': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'pm,': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:10': 0.37; 'late': 0.38; "won't": 0.38; 'wrong': 0.38; 'thank': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'takes': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'forget': 0.60; 'header :MIME-version:1': 0.60; 'your': 0.60; 'school': 0.62; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.62; 'skip:n 10': 0.62; 'subject: / ': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'capable': 0.65; 'soon': 0.65; 'future.': 0.67; 'article,': 0.84; 'badly,': 0.84; 'century': 0.84; 'correcting': 0.84; 'header:In-reply-to:1': 0.84; 'subject:else': 0.84; 'subject:sense': 0.84; 'url:education': 0.84; 'graduates': 0.91 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:,, definitions=2016-05-21_06:,, signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 suspectscore=1 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1510270003 definitions=main-1605210208 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 In-reply-to: <574032db$0$22142$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=icloud.com; s=4d515a; t=1463845865; bh=qwFFdmUWEWl6aZntLxqTSxco4qEy2J8DxZ6PLpumfpk=; h=Subject:To:From:Message-id:Date:MIME-version:Content-type; b=T1w7M/+MGy0R50L6X8YR85U1CqxRaR2k1TGA4xDdO8TW1jux2rf9HUmJsrr1Kr4kI d8zcXoMFxe5f7T/PcqlRedlQX0HxtSd30O7g6V5P0pr1eeo/I3PjzdI9WyORHbzZ8X XX0e0ivBtB1vfkVZeBqvTaEsTLqERvwksyCzMwBYFWuGdrH61k+UhthXjSnx/buy0u a567Db1q/mFyTiuFvGbiG2CsQc73ETaqtWu8PIOSoW9Lj2xABx0fHZ0Wf33ZzNffQV g4jlq2VGLrgFut5onFIeSSF5HjnBEBLnaMA5GAbMAv77jNwVWfVwJxxEq41jSIEMVa BMWbH/IfrZQ0g== X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 21 May 2016 12:52:55 -0400 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: X-Mailman-Original-References: <573EC62F.4090401@lucidity.plus.com> <75115580-7a63-4cfb-9689-28eb84b580a0@googlegroups.com> <574032db$0$22142$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:108922 On 5/21/2016 3:05 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Sat, 21 May 2016 03:18 pm, Rustom Mody wrote: > >> Given that for the most part, most of us are horribly uneducated [ >> > http://www.creativitypost.com/education/9_elephants_in_the_classroom_that_should_unsettle_us >> ] >> how do we go about correcting our wrong primacies? > > > An interesting article, but very US-centric. > > Nevertheless, let's not forget that the general school system is designed to > churn out more-or-less identical workers capable of pulling the levers on > late 19th and early 20th century machines for their bosses. The fact that > it does more than that, even if badly, is a bonus. Under various proposals in the U.S., everyone will soon learn how to program and/or become a computer scientist. Won't be long before some snotty-nosed brat graduates from preschool, takes a look at your code, and poops in his diapers. He will then dips his finger into his diaper, write on the whiteboard how your code can be written in a single line, and summary dismiss you with security escorting you off the premises. Gotta love the future. :) Thank you, Chris R.