Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!fdn.fr!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.005 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:not': 0.03; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'subject:file': 0.07; 'ascii': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'yeah,': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'language.': 0.14; 'thread': 0.14; 'windows': 0.15; 'apt': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'subject:log': 0.16; '\xe9crit': 0.16; 'all.': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; '>>>': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'unicode': 0.24; '---': 0.24; '(for': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints- To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'idea': 0.28; 'chris': 0.29; 'unix': 0.29; 'moved': 0.30; 'to?': 0.30; 'too.': 0.31; 'convince': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; "we're": 0.32; 'another': 0.32; 'text': 0.33; 'open': 0.33; 'standards': 0.33; 'sense': 0.34; 'except': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'controls': 0.36; 'doing': 0.36; 'being': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'is.': 0.60; 'free': 0.61; 'viruses': 0.61; 'simple': 0.61; 'email addr:gmail.com': 0.63; 'protection': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'antivirus': 0.68; 'default': 0.69; 'ending': 0.78; 'genuine': 0.78; 'change?': 0.84; 'mars': 0.84; 'ms.': 0.84; 'received:2': 0.84; 'samedi': 0.84; 'steps.': 0.91; 'baby': 0.95 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Python MSI not installing, log file showing name of a Viatnemese communist revolutionary Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 10:54:38 +0000 References: <827c7585-6c2a-4329-861f-0fdaa629b050@googlegroups.com> <3d50db8b-2428-49ec-93af-7b0743bdfbe8@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-2-98-198-214.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 In-Reply-To: <3d50db8b-2428-49ec-93af-7b0743bdfbe8@googlegroups.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 140322-0, 22/03/2014), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 65 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1395485707 news.xs4all.nl 2829 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:53025 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:68765 On 22/03/2014 08:54, wxjmfauth@gmail.com wrote: > Le samedi 22 mars 2014 05:59:34 UTC+1, Mark H. Harris a écrit : >> On 3/21/14 11:46 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >> >>> (Side point: You have your 0d and your 0a backwards; the Unix line >> >>> ending is U+000A, and the Windows default is U+000D U+000A.) >> >> >> >> Yeah, I know... smart apple. >> >> >> >>> How are you going to make people change? What are you going to make >> >>> them change to? Who controls this standard, and how do you convince >> >>> all OSes to comply with it? >> >> >> >> Well, we're already doing this to some extent; baby steps. Well, we >> >> have open document standards (evolving) and we have a really good sense >> >> for unicode (and python is being a genuine leader there) and the >> >> flat-file is just another open document (very simple no doubt), not >> >> different from a standards viewpoint than rft, odt, {whatever}; txt? >> >> >> >> My idea is that as we are morphing open document standards we need >> >> to keep the "flat-file" in mind too. The ASCII ship has sailed too. >> >> Unicode is in, ASCII is out (for all intents and purposes) except at >> >> Microsoft---and its time to rethink what a "flat" unicode text file >> >> really is. That's all. >> >> > > No offense. A good start would be to understand "unicode" > instead of bashing MS. > > jmf > How apt given how this thread has moved :) -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com