Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!cs.uu.nl!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:not': 0.03; 'cpython': 0.05; 'tkinter': 0.07; 'dependency': 0.09; 'forcing': 0.09; 'library?': 0.09; 'mess': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'django': 0.11; 'bug': 0.12; 'gui': 0.12; 'windows': 0.15; '12:17,': 0.16; 'language?': 0.16; 'optional': 0.16; 'subject:python3': 0.16; 'tkinter.': 0.16; 'ubuntu,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'users.': 0.18; 'install': 0.23; 'installation': 0.23; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'installed': 0.27; 'trivial': 0.31; 'probably': 0.32; 'linux': 0.33; 'running': 0.33; 'alone': 0.33; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'ubuntu': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'being': 0.38; 'message-id:@gmail.com': 0.38; 'server': 0.38; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.38; 'reported': 0.39; 'subject:" ': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'remove': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; '9.1': 0.84; 'belief': 0.84; 'freebsd': 0.84; 'mistaken': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=o+DgkmxVWCxTH2/fM3FKAkd1AM8IvRrPzZqYYgHgRzA=; b=gdL3240I/FZjrNhYSkrp9pUA4MADK42cezYyef47vEp171rl5OYBDpNwEfz6QaboVI 7GIfSgeRWLDWG1U6wrHtQucO/xEm0FAx+YfVWtIJJ5FUSJVVX24cVEbPai84swnOrs14 zBQjQ3K8UBbWp6BQFOf9lTyB5y3UblaWujlZ2tY0uI8JBcR868iCx4fmvw4GkKxRXlXe diMpb7jLQRW31pR6z0UQmtT5tmzge8mmPCg2yyfXg6H8a/DXg5Fi2ld5t8prhvjab/X5 BJM9StwHQnEb6LAZIrUbwAzpGhMQO2OgElLCeROP65vKWa5RdTrSIznMYYgTrsI1lfIo hjTg== X-Received: by 10.50.155.134 with SMTP id vw6mr16361605igb.34.1366392943138; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 12:35:44 -0500 From: Andrew Berg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "comp.lang.python" Subject: Re: Ubuntu package "python3" does not include tkinter References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1366392951 news.xs4all.nl 2166 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:55958 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:43919 On 2013.04.19 12:17, lcrocker wrote: > Am I mistaken in my belief that tkinter is a non-optional part of the > Python language? I installed the "python3" package on Ubuntu, and > tkinter is not included--it's an optional package "python3-tk" that > has to be installed separately. I reported this as a bug as was > summarily slapped down. Forcing Tkinter as a dependency would result in a ton of things being installed to support it. Why should a web server using Django have X installed and running because Python /can/ support a GUI in the standard library? It's trivial to install Tkinter if you need it, but it would be a huge mess to try to remove it from an installation that requires it - even if you never use Tkinter. Ubuntu is far from alone here. FreeBSD (and probably the other BSDs) and most Linux distros do something similar. There is zero reason to force Tkinter and its dependencies on all Python users. -- CPython 3.3.0 | Windows NT 6.2.9200 / FreeBSD 9.1