Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Random832 Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: PEP8 needs revision Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 15:39:35 -0400 Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <1466019575.403263.638845321.6A863290@webmail.messagingengine.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de lywiO08ssErlqY4Lz6jYUwowRnMPUO/xD5ezNX9YQFkg== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.004 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'context': 0.05; 'expressions': 0.07; 'formatting': 0.07; 'interpreted': 0.07; 'received:internal': 0.09; 'output': 0.13; 'wed,': 0.15; 'cares': 0.16; 'message-id:@webmail.messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'newlines': 0.16; 'readability.': 0.16; 'received:10.202': 0.16; 'received:10.202.2': 0.16; 'received:66.111': 0.16; 'received:66.111.4': 0.16; 'received:66.111.4.27': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'received:out3-smtp.messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'valid.': 0.16; 'whitespace.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'refers': 0.18; 'language': 0.19; 'programming': 0.22; 'bit': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'discussion': 0.24; "doesn't": 0.26; 'whitespace': 0.29; "we're": 0.30; 'code': 0.30; '15,': 0.30; 'source': 0.33; 'but': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:10': 0.37; 'expect': 0.37; 'whom': 0.37; 'received:66': 0.38; 'speak': 0.38; 'means': 0.39; 'format': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'care': 0.60; 'header:Message- Id:1': 0.61; 'yes': 0.62; 'thomas': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'information': 0.63; 'within': 0.64; 'offer': 0.66; 'talking': 0.67; 'papers,': 0.84; 'typesetting': 0.84; 'speaks': 0.91; 'subject:needs': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.com; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=Tq2D/LSUEtZBjOkRRhrg+ztWq+8=; b=s42PJR KUaEGjkjKr6lGorqppum6wLzi9Qz8i8Dr+uK6j3MCCc2cBYT4/o/VdJQ0aw4DYpV kLDrZRTv3VMrFWw+dMLHrsOd6OUgdJebTlvXTmcaUAVYtzjQiMCNjD5ZWpr5Ey5P 5CXHa406pBLrFwPAmqU10ioJ1rZZJFDRmpMuU= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=Tq2D/LSUEtZBjOk RRhrg+ztWq+8=; b=FH/kb0hnTvqohltHuUaLjj9/5onShtB0YCG14y/gg7+MMq/ ARrEQnQ/6E5uvKv3jRQU82Uv7Bo8MzWGgjXmGfP/m6tDqm+eBoYc9hpEKCIpirVo DWwUnWV0nrwjFSzeyMt1oUHUIM8g9jOXcpYBE255VsVVDpGldkdA0dyr6aow= X-Sasl-Enc: Gei1kNtc7c4qF5YIAf9eUSgIS2sOvYkXN6k49Det7B1c 1466019575 X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-aff28cd1 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: <1466019575.403263.638845321.6A863290@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Mailman-Original-References: Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:109993 On Wed, Jun 15, 2016, at 15:18, Kyle Thomas wrote: > To Whom It May Concern, > Knuth's quote refers to the output of TeX, the programming language he > authored. The quote cannot be interpreted to speak about formatting of > source-code. It speaks about what is more readable, and is mentioned in the context of a general discussion of readability. > One bit of evidence I can offer is that TeX's source only > cares about multiple newlines in considering the multiplicity of > whitespace. This means that Knuth's quote likely has little or no bearing > on the format of source-code. Yes but we're not talking about source code as computer code (Python's source doesn't care about whitespace within parenthesized expressions at all), we're talking about source code as human-readable information. Looking to other traditions of displaying human-readable information (mathematical typesetting traditions as described by Knuth) is entirely valid. He made that choice, one assumes, because it's what Mathematicians expect and like to see in their papers, and they want that because it is more readable.