Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.015 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'from:addr:mark': 0.07; 'git': 0.07; 'trac': 0.07; 'python': 0.08; 'imho.': 0.09; 'wrote:': 0.15; '"your': 0.16; 'does,': 0.16; 'fwiw': 0.16; 'hudson': 0.16; 'mildly': 0.16; 'sees': 0.16; 'x-mailer:apple mail (2.1084)': 0.16; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.16; 'pm,': 0.16; '>>>': 0.16; 'help.': 0.19; 'cheers,': 0.19; 'appears': 0.21; 'cc:2**0': 0.21; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'closest': 0.23; 'suite,': 0.23; 'thanks.': 0.26; "i'm": 0.27; 'url:mailman': 0.27; 'bugs': 0.28; 'partial': 0.29; 'stefan': 0.29; 'django': 0.29; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.30; 'received:209.85.210.46': 0.30; 'received:mail-pz0-f46.google.com': 0.30; 'thanks': 0.31; 'url:listinfo': 0.32; 'too': 0.32; 'test': 0.34; 'requirements': 0.35; 'executable': 0.35; 'maintained': 0.35; 'folder': 0.35; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'url:python': 0.37; 'but': 0.37; 'using': 0.37; 'received:google.com': 0.38; 'received:209.85': 0.38; 'url:org': 0.38; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'received:10.0.1': 0.38; 'something': 0.38; 'run': 0.39; 'should': 0.39; 'header :Mime-Version:1': 0.39; 'subject:with': 0.39; 'skip:. 10': 0.40; 'mark': 0.40; 'received:209': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'header:Message- Id:1': 0.61; 'customer': 0.64; 'world': 0.65; 'beat': 0.67; 'advantages': 0.77; 'tough': 0.80; 'adopt': 0.84; 'opinion.': 0.84; 'sentences,': 0.84; 'plugins': 0.91; 'adopting': 0.93; 'from.': 0.93 Subject: Re: CI and BDD with Python Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: mark curphey In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:39:06 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: To: Phlip X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1310265553 news.xs4all.nl 21765 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:42598 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:9136 Thanks. FWIW I played with a bunch (Freshen, Morelia, Lettuce....) over = the last few days and Lettuce appears to be the most "actively" = maintained and closest to a cucumber-like implementation IMHO. I have = decided to adopt it for now. I played with a few CI servers but Jenkins = (Hudson) is tough to beat IMHO but I am sure this is just my personal = preference. Anyways thanks for the help. Cheers, Mark On Jul 9, 2011, at 7:05 PM, Phlip wrote: > On Jul 8, 9:36 pm, Stefan Behnel wrote: >> mark curphey, 09.07.2011 01:41: >>=20 >>> And for CI having been using Hudson for a while, any real advantages = in a Python / Django world for adopting something native like Trac and = one of the CI plugins like Bitten? >=20 > I'm kind'a partial to Morelia for BDD. >=20 > Don't be fooled by Ruby's RSpec - it's _not_ "BDD". In my exalted > opinion. "BDD" means "your customer gives you requirements as > sentences, and you make them into executable statements." That's what > Cucumber does, which Morelia learns from. >=20 > And BDD and CI are orthogonal. BDD should be part of a complete TDD > test suite, and your CI tool should run that. >=20 > I still like CruiseControl.rb - even though it has bugs when it sees > too many git integrations. Hudson had way too many features, and CCrb > mildly presumes you know how to operate its .cruise/projects folder > manually! > --=20 > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list