Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.012 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'initialize': 0.07; 'string': 0.09; 'exception.': 0.09; 'yeah,': 0.09; 'crashed': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'indexerror:': 0.16; 'segfault': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'subject:OOP': 0.16; 'subject:object': 0.16; 'subject:possible': 0.16; 'subject:programming': 0.16; 'subject:type': 0.16; 'index': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; '>>>': 0.22; 'subject:/': 0.26; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'forgot': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; '"",': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; '(most': 0.33; 'fri,': 0.33; 'could': 0.34; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'received:209.85.220': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'received:209': 0.37; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'recent': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'expression': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'range': 0.61; 'subject:The': 0.64; 'rusi': 0.91; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=dGHS1mm6uv/Yi20u7hscJgOiUzP4eLvr+M7a4NFH0x0=; b=nb8NKzhJRVFCmHPzGHVc0wQ6+L3hbKOBH7fURWWadcvE/m5bHrRv0MKiidYM2T4noX rEZ3zh8JwK39atb7oy0mXYnxbGdnHs7JARMeWcqDpVZQAakbxeFWessQPrgLALLzWydo j+gozt0BRF0gXH2pgcm/UeTmI5zkiHPcoEND9LgKMMrOgUJiszjO2TMuFmnZcCw6maAG CIMHv+Vwt8gKlmt9IVTR90e/EyYAgwv/xMiRs04g9Rnms57Car+6iltnJy2VcJwlpzea cRiFaCnVzis+pWQxjrFHV/hFCwkz/eW/q5txc6NIf0JimqAQdXfZapocKZQt2qR6XRBY OTWw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.189.163 with SMTP id gj3mr17223671pbc.207.1366355141651; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 00:05:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <10511876-84bf-41f5-ad96-cf4ee5a6973e@di5g2000pbc.googlegroups.com> References: <10511876-84bf-41f5-ad96-cf4ee5a6973e@di5g2000pbc.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 17:05:41 +1000 Subject: Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1366355144 news.xs4all.nl 2222 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:49731 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:43888 On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 1:35 PM, rusi wrote: > If I have a loop: > > while i < len(a) and a[i] != x: > i++ > > I need to understand that at the end of the loop: > i >= len(a) or a[i] == x > and not > i >= len(a) and a[i] == x > nor > i == len(a) or a[i] == x # What if I forgot to initialize i? Or your program has crashed out with an exception. >>> i,a,x=-10,"test","q" >>> while i < len(a) and a[i] != x: i+=1 Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in while i < len(a) and a[i] != x: IndexError: string index out of range Or if that had been in C, it could have bombed with a segfault rather than a nice tidy exception. Definitely initialize i. But yeah, the basis of algebra is helpful, even critical, to understanding most expression evaluators. ChrisA