Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.redatomik.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed8.news.xs4all.nl!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.05; 'counting': 0.07; 'creighton': 0.09; 'defined.': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject:2.7': 0.09; 'subject: \n ': 0.15; '...,': 0.16; 'ah,': 0.16; 'digits)': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject:non': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'laura': 0.18; 'language': 0.19; '>>>': 0.20; '2015': 0.20; 'prevent': 0.20; 'saying': 0.22; 'lawrence': 0.22; 'trying': 0.22; 'defined': 0.23; '(or': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'header :User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'equivalent': 0.27; '-0700,': 0.29; 'subject: [': 0.29; 'url:wikipedia': 0.29; 'url:wiki': 0.30; '"the': 0.32; 'language.': 0.32; 'getting': 0.33; 'definition': 0.34; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; 'mean': 0.38; 'url:en': 0.39; 'subject:-': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'mark': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'skip:u 10': 0.61; 'ago.': 0.61; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.62; 'our': 0.64; 'you.': 0.64; 'jul': 0.72; 'inform': 0.79; 'century': 0.84; 'pythonistas,': 0.84; 'roman': 0.84; 'essence': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Devanagari int literals [was Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed?] Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 11:34:32 +0100 References: <7083e494-6192-4acb-aea9-216d858171bc@googlegroups.com> <55ab2b57$0$1664$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <76252f32-64e9-405b-84a2-996200a6fa6f@googlegroups.com> <87twsxj2ot.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-78-147-188-8.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.1.0 In-Reply-To: <87twsxj2ot.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1437474897 news.xs4all.nl 2833 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:48817 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:94282 On 21/07/2015 10:10, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Laura Creighton : > >> In a message of Mon, 20 Jul 2015 20:30:48 -0700, Rustom Mody writes: >> >>> Can some unicode/Chinese literate person inform me whether that >>> ideograph is equivalent to roman '9' or roman 'nine'? >> >> Ah, I don't understand you. What do you mean roman 'nine'? a phonetic >> way of saying things? What bankers use to help prevent forgeries? >> Something else? > > This is getting deep. It is an embarrassing metamathematical fact that > numbers cannot be defined. At least, mathematicians gave up trying a > century ago. > > In mathematics, the essence of counting a set and finding a result n, > is that it establishes a one to one correspondence (or bijection) of > the set with the set of numbers {1, 2, ..., n}. > > > Our ancestors defined the fingers (or digits) as "the set of numbers." > Modern mathematicians have managed to enhance the definition > quantitatively but not qualitatively. > Not all of them http://www.languagesandnumbers.com/how-to-count-in-paici/en/pri/ -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence