Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.005 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'engineer.': 0.07; 'statements': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'posted': 0.15; 'janssen': 0.16; 'received:74.55.86': 0.16; 'received:74.55.86.74': 0.16; 'received:smtp.webfaction.com': 0.16; 'received:webfaction.com': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'subject:OOP': 0.16; 'subject:object': 0.16; 'subject:possible': 0.16; 'subject:programming': 0.16; 'subject:type': 0.16; 'topics': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; 'thoughts': 0.19; 'help.': 0.21; 'programming': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'header :User-Agent:1': 0.23; "shouldn't": 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'suggested': 0.26; 'subject:/': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'nature': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'apparently': 0.31; 'lists': 0.32; 'languages': 0.32; "can't": 0.35; 'agree': 0.35; 'pm,': 0.38; 'little': 0.38; 'mailing': 0.39; 'success': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; "you've": 0.63; 'subject:The': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'to:addr:gmail.com': 0.65; 'study': 0.69; 'professor,': 0.91 Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 22:39:42 -0400 From: Ned Batchelder User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Janssen Subject: Re: The type/object distinction and possible synthesis of OOP and imperative programming languages References: <516bd241$0$29872$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <516C3C44.6010706@rece.vub.ac.be> <51709740$0$29977$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5170A77F.7040002@nedbatchelder.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1366339197 news.xs4all.nl 2216 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:45016 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:43880 On 4/18/2013 10:30 PM, Mark Janssen wrote: > Okay, professor is it, master? What is your provenance anyway? I'm not a professor, I'm a software engineer. I'm just trying to help. You've made statements that strike me as half-informed. You're trying to unify concepts that perhaps can't or shouldn't be unified. You've posted now to three different mailing lists about your thoughts on the nature of programming languages and object-orientation, and have apparently had little success in interesting people in them. A number of people have suggested that you study more about the topics you're interested in, and I agree with them. --Ned.