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How to ask a girl out with a simple witty Python code?? From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.19 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 50 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1425613064 news.xs4all.nl 2934 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:53500 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:86979 On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Ben Finney wro= te: > Steven D'Aprano writes: > >> Ben Finney wrote: >> >> > =E2=80=9Cget their panties all up in a bunch=E2=80=9D is a gendered sl= ur. >> >> Why do you interpret that as insulting to women merely on the basis of >> being *female*? > > I think your question is in bad faith. You know as well as I do, and I'm > confident the person who wrote the slur knows, that =E2=80=9Cpanties=E2= =80=9D strongly > connotes *female* underwear. Allow me to summarize this subthread: * sohcahtoa makes a comment implying that this list is full of nerds who know nothing about dating. Gender-nonspecific and most likely self-deprecating as much as insulting. * I responded with a reference to a nerdy movie ("Real Genius", and if you haven't seen it, go grab it - it's funny), which perhaps was not recognized, leading to the post in which: * sohcahtoa misunderstands me and thinks I was offended at his post (which I wasn't), and gets his hackles up, thinking the original nerd-dating-advice comment shouldn't have been offensive * Two people then go back and forth about whether or not the previous three posts were offensive. The whole field of getting vicariously offended is a mess. It's virtually impossible to judge what will and what will not cause offense (sure, there are some easy cases, and if you use a six-letter word beginning with "n" to refer to someone with more skin melanin than yourself, then you will be very rightly shouted down - but most cases aren't anything like that clear, and even that word wasn't originally offensive in itself), and we have interminable debates about what should and shouldn't be said. Can we please keep these sub-threads short? Once it's gone through a couple of rounds of response, it's not going to get anywhere new. All we have is people getting annoyed on behalf of an unspecified person or group of people, and offense being given and taken and regifted like Christmas presents from your distant relatives. I'm sure there's something more interesting to talk about... like the rate at which the grass is growing. Thanks! ChrisA