Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'bug': 0.02; '2.x': 0.05; 'arguments': 0.05; 'sep': 0.07; 'used.': 0.07; 'written.': 0.07; 'python': 0.07; '3.x': 0.09; 'attribute': 0.09; 'callable': 0.09; 'subject:Function': 0.09; 'tuple': 0.09; 'url:dev': 0.09; 'writable': 0.09; '>>>': 0.12; '25,': 0.12; 'def': 0.13; 'am,': 0.14; 'wrote:': 0.14; '"copyright",': 0.16; '"credits"': 0.16; '"license"': 0.16; '2.5.1': 0.16; '2.5.2': 0.16; 'attributes:': 0.16; 'benjamin': 0.16; 'concur': 0.16; 'defaults,': 0.16; 'jython': 0.16; 'received:192.168.1.20': 0.16; 'received:74.55.86': 0.16; 'received:74.55.86.74': 0.16; 'received:smtp.webfaction.com': 0.16; 'received:webfaction.com': 0.16; 'url:html)': 0.16; 'argument': 0.16; 'ignore': 0.16; 'header :In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'mon,': 0.22; 'specified': 0.22; 'values': 0.23; 'ken': 0.23; 'correct': 0.26; 'daniel': 0.29; 'skip:( 20': 0.31; 'points': 0.31; "skip:' 10": 0.32; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.32; '...': 0.32; 'url:docs': 0.33; 'received:192.168.1': 0.34; 'received:192': 0.34; 'correctly': 0.35; 'print': 0.35; 'header :User-Agent:1': 0.35; 'implies': 0.35; 'feature': 0.36; 'none': 0.36; 'received:192.168': 0.37; 'should': 0.37; 'url:python': 0.37; 'apr': 0.38; 'url:org': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'works': 0.40; 'containing': 0.40; '2011': 0.62; 'mar': 0.64; 'safe': 0.65; 'special': 0.66; 'blind': 0.84; 'microsystems': 0.84; 'open,': 0.91 Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 14:44:58 -0700 From: Ken Seehart User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Function __defaults__ References: <4db3f444$0$29978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 52 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1303681500 news.xs4all.nl 81475 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:53663 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:3961 Oops, I must correct myself. Please ignore my previous post. As Daniel points out, Writable is specified in the Python 3 documentation. Apparently I was reading the documentation with only my right eye open, and the Writable tag fell on my blind spot. I concur that this unambiguously implies that the attribute should work as advertised after being written. This is not a bug in Jython. As Daniel points out the attribute was renamed from func_defaults to __defaults__ in python 3. Jython 2.5.2 (Release_2_5_2:7206, Mar 2 2011, 23:12:06) [Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (Sun Microsystems Inc.)] on java1.6.0_24 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> def foo(x=4): ... print x ... >>> foo() 4 >>> foo.func_defaults (4,) >>> foo.func_defaults = (3,) >>> foo() 3 >>> So it works correctly in Jython 2.x. Conclusion: Not an implementation detail, and safe to use. Ken On 4/24/2011 10:18 AM, Daniel Kluev wrote: > http://docs.python.org/dev/reference/datamodel.html > Callable types > ... > Special attributes: > ... > __defaults__ A tuple containing default argument values for those > arguments that have defaults, or None if no arguments have a default > value Writable > > I don't see any 'implementation detail' mark there, and 'Writable' > IMHO means it can be used. > > On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Benjamin Kaplan > wrote: >> Jython 2.5.1 (Release_2_5_1:6813, Sep 26 2009, 13:47:54) > In 2.x it was func_defaults (http://docs.python.org/reference/datamodel.html) > __defaults__ is 3.x feature >