Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.redatomik.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.107 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.79; '*S*': 0.00; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; '"your': 0.16; 'foul': 0.16; 'invokes': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'wednesday': 0.18; '2015': 0.23; 'all.': 0.24; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'earlier': 0.27; 'community.': 0.27; "i'm": 0.29; 'gender,': 0.29; 'anyone': 0.32; 'class': 0.33; "d'aprano": 0.33; 'steven': 0.33; 'subject:?': 0.34; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; "let's": 0.36; 'subject:" ': 0.36; 'so,': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.38; 'someone': 0.38; 'end': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'why': 0.40; 'entire': 0.61; 'become': 0.62; 'day,': 0.62; 'kindly': 0.64; 'forward': 0.65; 'cut': 0.67; 'day': 0.70; '_o__)': 0.84; 'brain,': 0.84; 'received:125': 0.84; 'subject:self': 0.84; 'snow': 0.91; 'army': 0.95 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: Re: should "self" be changed? Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 21:29:39 +1000 References: <551c8229-f426-45f0-a0ee-fdad1b161f59@googlegroups.com> <3dca4bcd-3bb3-4c12-9f0d-bdd3433ebc09@googlegroups.com> <241377fe-2cac-46f8-bbe1-698de608cef4@googlegroups.com> <55655a86$0$12908$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jigong.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xAC128405 X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 517C F14B B2F3 98B0 CB35 4855 B8B2 4C06 AC12 8405 X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-pubkey.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:v+Ci1ZgJyJ8pUBgyJia0BpoY1E8= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1432726201 news.xs4all.nl 2868 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:57644 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:91295 Steven D'Aprano writes: > On Wednesday 27 May 2015 14:39, Ben Finney wrote: > > > That kind of homophobic slur is inappropriate from anyone in this > > community. Kindly cut it out altogether. > > I look forward to the day when people would read the earlier insult > and be perplexed as to why it is a slur at all. In the same way as > "your mother wears army boots" has become a joke slur, not taken > seriously. Yes, let's all work toward an end to the use of gender, sexuality, ethnicity, and other inborn traits as the punchline of insults or jokes. Until that happy day, let's work to improve the lot of those who are made the butt of such slurs. Part of that work must be to call foul when someone invokes an entire class of people as an insult. -- \ “Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?” “I think so, | `\ Brain, but why would anyone want to see Snow White and the | _o__) Seven Samurai?” —_Pinky and The Brain_ | Ben Finney