Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.007 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; '"""': 0.07; 'referring': 0.07; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'translate': 0.10; 'language.': 0.14; '(both': 0.16; '-tkc': 0.16; 'bus.': 0.16; 'hypothetical': 0.16; "object's": 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'sadly': 0.16; 'unsigned': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'memory': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'example.': 0.24; 'unicode': 0.24; '---': 0.24; 'define': 0.26; 'defined': 0.27; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'rest': 0.29; 'tim': 0.29; "i'm": 0.30; 'chase': 0.31; 'except': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'definition': 0.35; "didn't": 0.36; 'virtual': 0.37; 'whatever': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'anything': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'negative': 0.60; 'free': 0.61; 'viruses': 0.61; 'simply': 0.61; 'address': 0.63; 'protection': 0.63; 'hear': 0.63; 'real': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'situation': 0.65; 'talking': 0.65; 'antivirus': 0.68; 'revealed': 0.68; 'physical': 0.72; 'address,': 0.75; 'proves': 0.84; 'returns.': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Reference Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2014 21:46:29 +0000 References: <53144e8d$0$2149$426a74cc@news.free.fr> <1d1dfa1b-b715-4d8f-9c12-f0d3dc1a22c9@googlegroups.com> <85ppm3httu.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <20140303155112.46e34ff8@bigbox.christie.dr> <87siqy7whs.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53155c15$0$2923$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com> <164d209c-ba5e-449f-bc25-c27ebfb1fc0f@googlegroups.com> <5316b0dc$0$2923$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com> <53176cfe$0$29985$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87mwh475bc.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87bnxk73gb.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <20140305153353.4b948c31@bigbox.christie.dr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-78-146-1-73.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 In-Reply-To: <20140305153353.4b948c31@bigbox.christie.dr> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 140305-0, 05/03/2014), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1394056018 news.xs4all.nl 2851 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:34106 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:67887 On 05/03/2014 21:33, Tim Chase wrote: > On 2014-03-05 23:14, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> When I talk about an object's memory address, I'm not referring to >> what might be revealed by gdb, for example. That is, I'm not >> talking about the process's virtual address space, nor am I talking >> about the physical address on the address bus. I can simply define >> that the object's memory address is whatever id() returns. > > Let me translate what the rest of the group hears: > > """ > When I talk about an object's memory address, I'm not referring to > *what every other computer scientist/professional means by "memory > address" rather I can simply make up my own definition for "memory > address" so that it means something that proves my point.* > """ > > It's perfectly valid for the definition of id() to return negative > numbers, yet in just about every situation (both hypothetical CS > worlds and out in the real world), a memory-address is defined as an > unsigned number. > > -tkc > > I actually hear the spam song, except s/spam/troll/ Didn't we learn anything from the sadly still ongoing saga of our resident unicode expert? :( -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com