Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.albasani.net!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.012 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'language.': 0.14; 'objects.': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'code.': 0.18; 'discussion': 0.18; 'obviously': 0.18; 'seems': 0.21; 'programming': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; '---': 0.24; 'values': 0.27; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'idea': 0.28; 'problem': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'possible': 0.36; 'starting': 0.37; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'easy': 0.60; 'free': 0.61; 'viruses': 0.61; 'advanced': 0.63; 'protection': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'teaching': 0.64; 'antivirus': 0.68; 'stated': 0.69; 'front.': 0.84; 'spawned': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Reference Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2014 21:34:40 +0000 References: <53144e8d$0$2149$426a74cc@news.free.fr> <1d1dfa1b-b715-4d8f-9c12-f0d3dc1a22c9@googlegroups.com> <85ppm3httu.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <20140303155112.46e34ff8@bigbox.christie.dr> <87siqy7whs.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53155c15$0$2923$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com> <164d209c-ba5e-449f-bc25-c27ebfb1fc0f@googlegroups.com> <5316b0dc$0$2923$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com> <55d6a455-1856-4fd6-ac4b-c277ff7e2bd1@googlegroups.com> <53176aac$0$29985$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87r46g75t9.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87iors74re.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-78-146-1-73.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 In-Reply-To: <87iors74re.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 140305-0, 05/03/2014), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1394055302 news.xs4all.nl 2954 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:51809 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:67884 On 05/03/2014 20:46, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > > I think the discussion spawned from the problem of teaching programming > students the right idea of values and objects. A teacher would like to > bring in advanced concepts last, but Python seems to force you to get > them at the very beginning. > Nonsense, people starting out with Python have stated how easy it is to just start writing Python code. This would obviously not be possible if advanced concepts had to be learned up front. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com