Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.mixmin.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.056 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.89; '*S*': 0.00; '"""': 0.07; 'referring': 0.07; 'translate': 0.10; '(both': 0.16; '-tkc': 0.16; 'bus.': 0.16; 'from:addr:python.list': 0.16; 'from:addr:tim.thechases.com': 0.16; 'from:name:tim chase': 0.16; 'hypothetical': 0.16; "object's": 0.16; 'unsigned': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'memory': 0.22; 'example.': 0.24; 'define': 0.26; 'defined': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'rest': 0.29; "i'm": 0.30; 'something': 0.35; 'definition': 0.35; 'charset:us- ascii': 0.36; 'virtual': 0.37; 'whatever': 0.38; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'negative': 0.60; 'simply': 0.61; 'address': 0.63; 'real': 0.63; 'situation': 0.65; 'talking': 0.65; 'revealed': 0.68; 'physical': 0.72; 'address,': 0.75; 'proves': 0.84; 'received:50.22': 0.84; 'returns.': 0.84 Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 15:33:53 -0600 From: Tim Chase To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Reference In-Reply-To: <87bnxk73gb.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> References: <53144e8d$0$2149$426a74cc@news.free.fr> <1d1dfa1b-b715-4d8f-9c12-f0d3dc1a22c9@googlegroups.com> <85ppm3httu.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <20140303155112.46e34ff8@bigbox.christie.dr> <87siqy7whs.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53155c15$0$2923$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com> <164d209c-ba5e-449f-bc25-c27ebfb1fc0f@googlegroups.com> <5316b0dc$0$2923$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com> <53176cfe$0$29985$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87mwh475bc.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87bnxk73gb.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - boston.accountservergroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - python.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tim.thechases.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: boston.accountservergroup.com: authenticated_id: tim@thechases.com X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1394055209 news.xs4all.nl 2857 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:49956 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:67883 On 2014-03-05 23:14, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > When I talk about an object's memory address, I'm not referring to > what might be revealed by gdb, for example. That is, I'm not > talking about the process's virtual address space, nor am I talking > about the physical address on the address bus. I can simply define > that the object's memory address is whatever id() returns. Let me translate what the rest of the group hears: """ When I talk about an object's memory address, I'm not referring to *what every other computer scientist/professional means by "memory address" rather I can simply make up my own definition for "memory address" so that it means something that proves my point.* """ It's perfectly valid for the definition of id() to return negative numbers, yet in just about every situation (both hypothetical CS worlds and out in the real world), a memory-address is defined as an unsigned number. -tkc