Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.059 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.88; '*S*': 0.00; 'referring': 0.07; 'cc:addr :python-list': 0.11; '"but': 0.16; 'bus.': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; "object's": 0.16; 'utterly': 0.16; "where's": 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'thu,': 0.19; 'memory': 0.22; 'saying': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'example.': 0.24; 'logical': 0.24; 'now?': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'define': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'virtual': 0.37; 'whatever': 0.38; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'course': 0.61; 'simply': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'address': 0.63; 'talking': 0.65; 'mar': 0.68; 'revealed': 0.68; 'physical': 0.72; 'address,': 0.75; 'returns.': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=VfBtO9CRsawPvJrLGe33SvdKG9RlNFCfvTzDCupF29w=; b=CG+iVHMcEozDRsHDMsq8thdGtg0Kl5qof0UUhMpV2MGhRKEsU4JkTwhbw8RrJYQPAu Bdxnz36hGU6L/SYA9QvOdoNOAAylGkzWbOGAuqsQvva09RfDE/UX6/y3hLLBUlBqVi2+ jgJNtvCAwQl1KJVsiaE6nYvQ9pDBsm43iCD9wVUoiDZbAo3L8RO6k6sX7phuYFxp+tEr ykh8HfEJ7xna3Pag0ohQaAEy+DNN24+7EgV3SEZhJzcLcdXH1Ww8bzrnCuPcmlKSgCO2 9Felan7wNslo+kx6uG21U1wD8sncSNTYf1NE1EhAldAFKJ72Rw/oGGwksz95gR28htZJ KE3A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.112.164 with SMTP id ir4mr9558710pbb.153.1394054782546; Wed, 05 Mar 2014 13:26:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87bnxk73gb.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> References: <53144e8d$0$2149$426a74cc@news.free.fr> <1d1dfa1b-b715-4d8f-9c12-f0d3dc1a22c9@googlegroups.com> <85ppm3httu.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <20140303155112.46e34ff8@bigbox.christie.dr> <87siqy7whs.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53155c15$0$2923$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com> <164d209c-ba5e-449f-bc25-c27ebfb1fc0f@googlegroups.com> <5316b0dc$0$2923$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com> <53176cfe$0$29985$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87mwh475bc.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87bnxk73gb.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 08:26:22 +1100 Subject: Re: Reference From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1394054791 news.xs4all.nl 2977 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:44600 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:67882 On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:14 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > When I talk about an object's memory address, I'm not referring to what > might be revealed by gdb, for example. That is, I'm not talking about > the process's virtual address space, nor am I talking about the physical > address on the address bus. I can simply define that the object's memory > address is whatever id() returns. Where's the complaints about circularity now? You're saying "But of course id() returns the address, as long as we define the address as 'whatever id() returns'.". Unimpeachably logical and utterly unhelpful. ChrisA