Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!goblin3!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!uio.no!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed7.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'context': 0.05; 'fixes': 0.05; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.05; 'redirected': 0.07; 'works.': 0.07; 'porting': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject:2.7': 0.09; 'thrown': 0.09; 'vast': 0.09; 'bug': 0.10; 'thread': 0.10; 'python': 0.10; '2.7': 0.13; 'things.': 0.15; '"some': 0.16; '2.7?': 0.16; 'committers': 0.16; 'devs': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject:non': 0.16; 'uniq': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; "shouldn't": 0.18; 'language': 0.19; '>>>': 0.20; '2015': 0.20; 'fix': 0.21; '2.x': 0.22; '3.x': 0.22; 'lawrence': 0.22; 'originally': 0.23; 'second': 0.24; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'sort': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'command': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'earlier': 0.27; 'bugs': 0.27; 'order.': 0.27; 'thread,': 0.29; 'volunteers': 0.29; 'becomes': 0.30; 'e.g.': 0.30; 'programmers': 0.30; 'core': 0.32; 'up.': 0.32; 'language.': 0.32; 'quotes': 0.33; 'list': 0.34; 'asking': 0.35; 'there': 0.36; 'monday,': 0.36; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'really': 0.37; 'being': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; 'log': 0.38; 'thank': 0.38; 'why': 0.39; 'subject:-': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'where': 0.40; 'mark': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'further': 0.62; 'back': 0.62; 'course': 0.62; 'complete': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'you.': 0.64; 'dont': 0.64; 'believe': 0.66; '20,': 0.66; 'picked': 0.66; "they're": 0.66; 'here': 0.66; 'below.': 0.66; 'stated': 0.70; 'hostile': 0.84; 'pythonistas,': 0.84; 'suggest,': 0.84; 'utc+5:30,': 0.84; 'obvious,': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 11:59:43 +0100 References: <55ab2b73$0$1664$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <622d0c72-5946-4067-84cd-255907688630@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-92-24-208-82.ppp.as43234.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.1.0 In-Reply-To: <622d0c72-5946-4067-84cd-255907688630@googlegroups.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 50 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1437390013 news.xs4all.nl 2936 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:38458 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:94227 On 20/07/2015 03:16, Rustom Mody wrote: > On Monday, July 20, 2015 at 7:16:50 AM UTC+5:30, Mark Lawrence wrote: >> On 20/07/2015 02:20, Devin Jeanpierre wrote: >> >>> >>> I don't like how this is being redirected to "surely you >>> misunderstood" or "I don't believe you". The fact that some core devs >>> are hostile to 2.x development is really bleedingly obvious, you >>> shouldn't need quotes or context thrown at you. The rhetoric almost >>> always shies _just_ short of ceasing bugfixes (until 2020, when that >>> abruptly becomes a cracking good idea). e.g. in "2.7 is here until >>> 2020, please don't call it a waste". >>> >> >> A couple of things. >> >> First "some core devs are hostile", actually some have stated that >> they're simply not interested in 2.7 and will not work on it. >> >> Second how has the thread got here, as it was originally asking about >> back porting bug fixes from 3.x to 2.7? Further it said:- >> >> >> If the vast majority of Python programmers are focused on 2.7, why are >> volunteers to help fix 2.7 bugs so scarce? >> >> >> So I most humbly suggest, as I may have hinted at once or twice earlier >> in this thread, that people either put up or shut up. > > I just ran the following command > $ hg log --template "{author|person}\n" | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr > > as giving all the committers to python in sorted order. > I get the list below. > Dont see any Mark Lawrence there > Of course I dont know hg at all well... Just picked up the above command from > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6126678/how-to-list-commiters-sorted-by-number-of-commits-commit-count > > So... May I humbly ask where are your precious commits?? > Thank you for showing your complete ignorance as to how Python works. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence