Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.011 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'discard': 0.07; 'abstraction': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; '\xe2\x80\x94': 0.09; 'conveys': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'justified': 0.16; 'opposite': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'statement.': 0.16; "skip:' 30": 0.19; 'saying': 0.22; 'header :User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'case.': 0.24; "haven't": 0.24; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'correct': 0.29; 'statement': 0.30; 'writes:': 0.31; 'supposed': 0.32; 'another': 0.32; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; '8bit%:17': 0.36; 'false': 0.36; 'received:com.au': 0.36; 'useful': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'ben': 0.38; 'whatever': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'either': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'simple': 0.61; 'name': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'skip:\xe2 10': 0.65; 'truth': 0.81; 'now)': 0.84; 'received:125': 0.84; 'why?': 0.91; '\xe2\x80\x9cthe': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: Re: Reference Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2014 17:40:40 +1100 References: <53144e8d$0$2149$426a74cc@news.free.fr> <1d1dfa1b-b715-4d8f-9c12-f0d3dc1a22c9@googlegroups.com> <85ppm3httu.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <20140303155112.46e34ff8@bigbox.christie.dr> <87siqy7whs.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53155c15$0$2923$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com> <164d209c-ba5e-449f-bc25-c27ebfb1fc0f@googlegroups.com> <8761ntp3ja.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <89e7d1ac-af88-4781-b23d-b64e571e811b@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: vmx15867.hosting24.com.au X-Public-Key-ID: 0xBD41714B X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 9CFE 12B0 791A 4267 887F 520C B7AC 2E51 BD41 714B X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-gpg.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:snLEKX3koTO8Bos4bFk42OM7wjo= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1394001653 news.xs4all.nl 2829 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:33137 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:67817 Rustom Mody writes: > All I am saying is that 'is' should have (be!) a name that is not > philosophically grandiloquent bullshit but rather a name that more > accurately conveys 'machine-representation-equivalence' You haven't made either case. How is the simple abstraction of object identity characterised as “philosophically grandiloquent bullshit”? Why should we discard the useful abstraction of object identity as it currently is in Python, for some different concept that you prefer (“machine representation equivalence”, whatever that's supposed to be — I don't care right now, only that you want something different from what is now) and have not justified why? -- \ “The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But | `\ the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound | _o__) truth.” —Niels Bohr | Ben Finney