Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'subject:How': 0.10; 'bug': 0.12; 'empty,': 0.16; 'from:addr:cs': 0.16; 'from:addr:zip.com.au': 0.16; 'from:name:cameron simpson': 0.16; 'lisp': 0.16; 'message-id:@cskk.homeip.net': 0.16; 'received:211.29': 0.16; 'received:211.29.132': 0.16; 'received:cskk.homeip.net': 0.16; 'received:homeip.net': 0.16; 'received:optusnet.com.au': 0.16; 'received:syd.optusnet.com.au': 0.16; 'simpson': 0.16; 'subject:security': 0.16; 'which,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; 'all,': 0.19; 'to:name:python- list@python.org': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'simpler': 0.24; 'cheers,': 0.24; 'file.': 0.24; 'least': 0.26; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'instruction': 0.29; 'work.': 0.31; 'reduced': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'text': 0.33; 'but': 0.35; 'done,': 0.36; 'received:com.au': 0.36; 'charset:us- ascii': 0.36; 'received:211': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'truly': 0.60; 'no.': 0.61; 'simply': 0.61; 'content-disposition:inline': 0.62; 'reached': 0.63; 'mar': 0.68 Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 11:07:37 +1100 From: Cameron Simpson To: "python-list@python.org" Subject: Re: How security holes happen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) References: X-Optus-CM-Score: 0 X-Optus-CM-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=fbeUlSgF c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=YuQlxtEQCowy2cfE5kc7TA==:117 a=YuQlxtEQCowy2cfE5kc7TA==:17 a=ZtCCktOnAAAA:8 a=PO7r1zJSAAAA:8 a=LcaDllckn3IA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=vrnE16BAAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=KaybevnVAAAA:8 a=hGw6Xf_fMpw2AwwHRLMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=X5q3X6-Q1Y0A:10 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1393978078 news.xs4all.nl 2880 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:59986 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:67760 On 05Mar2014 09:57, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > > Lisp is conceptually simpler than Python, but awe-inspiring. One day, it > > will overtake Python, I believe. > > > > The final Nirvana is reached with... > > No no no. The final Nirvana is achieved when you no longer write text > at all, but simply edit an empty file. When you are done, the file is > still empty, and you have truly reached nirvana. Every program has at least one bug and can be shortened by at least one instruction -- from which, by induction, it is evident that every program can be reduced to one instruction that does not work. - Ken Arnold Cheers, Cameron Simpson