Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.03; 'guido': 0.04; '(except': 0.05; 'operator': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'continuation': 0.07; 'differently.': 0.07; 'python': 0.08; 'am,': 0.12; 'subject:] ': 0.14; 'agreed,': 0.16; 'denote': 0.16; 'denotes': 0.16; 'iirc': 0.16; 'received:68.1': 0.16; 'received:68.1.16': 0.16; 'received:68.1.16.119': 0.16; 'received:eastrmimpo01.cox.net': 0.16; 'rossum': 0.16; 'style,': 0.16; 'sure,': 0.16; 'to:addr:stephen': 0.16; 'to:addr:xemacs.org': 0.16; 'cc:addr :python-list': 0.16; 'syntax': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'language': 0.17; "doesn't": 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'sep': 0.23; "shouldn't": 0.23; 'keyword': 0.24; 'writes:': 0.25; 'van': 0.26; 'sat,': 0.28; 'bit': 0.28; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.30; 'lines': 0.30; 'cc:addr:gmail.com': 0.30; "isn't": 0.33; 'that,': 0.33; 'received:68.230': 0.34; 'fri,': 0.36; 'depend': 0.37; 'received:cox.net': 0.37; 'but': 0.37; 'think': 0.38; 'cc:2**2': 0.38; 'should': 0.38; 'easier': 0.38; 'received:192': 0.39; 'persons': 0.39; 'received:192.168.2': 0.39; 'header:Mime- Version:1': 0.39; 'either': 0.39; 'received:68': 0.40; "it's": 0.40; 'where': 0.40; 'computers': 0.64; 'eyes': 0.66; 'subject:line': 0.73; 'cc:addr:yahoo.com': 0.77; 'continued': 0.77; '12:28': 0.84; 'implication.': 0.84; 'follow.': 0.91 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020209.4E6397B9.0097,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=5AHg1zS6fKBk64vkGL/stHpTKznySuNzRq0QOAs0BF0= c=1 sm=1 a=Ai5NWJQ_0VQA:10 a=nDghuxUhq_wA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=YNZRXFJ4EalzhrOnb47MCA==:17 a=Wn2H3lT2AAAA:8 a=cTgcef3Zd2pucchjNOQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=xgg2bd1uY6sA:10 a=YNZRXFJ4EalzhrOnb47MCA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Subject: Re: [Python-ideas] allow line break at operators From: ron3200 To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" In-Reply-To: <87bov2jl54.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <1312951356.77394.YahooMailNeo@web121518.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4e424208$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <1312981104.89312.YahooMailNeo@web121520.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1312982377.95657.YahooMailNeo@web121508.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1313031175.38817.YahooMailNeo@web121515.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4E43D2F2.1090004@mrabarnett.plus.com> <1314884634.78252.YahooMailNeo@web121507.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <877h5rjtdb.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87bov2jl54.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2011 10:22:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "python-list@python.org" , Guido van Rossum , Gabriel AHTUNE , python-ideas X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1315156946 news.xs4all.nl 2547 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:59911 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:12743 On Sat, 2011-09-03 at 13:38 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Guido van Rossum writes: > > On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 12:28 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > > > Sure, but IIRC one design principle of Python is that the keyword that > > > denotes the syntax should be the first thing on the line, > [...] > > That's true for *statements* (except assignments and calls). > > > > > Analogously, if operators are going to denote continuation, they > > > should come first on the line. > > > That doesn't follow. > > Agreed, it's not a logical implication. The analogy is only an > analogy, but my eyes do work that way. > > My conclusion is that we shouldn't try to encourage either style, > because people "see" continuation differently. Legislating a style > isn't going to change that, I think. I like to start continued lines with an operator as well. I also think it helps me keep it in my head a bit easier when I do that. I think this is one of those areas where computers and people differ, but it may also depend on the persons native language as to what works better for them. Ron