Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Dennis Lee Bieber Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Guido sees the light: PEP 8 updated Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 19:02:46 -0400 Organization: IISS Elusive Unicorn Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <87h9f26ioa.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <1460809922.1918014.580580553.0AE05EE4@webmail.messagingengine.com> <878u0d7az5.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 47ueF1HDyXRcNw92lq5jBQVIVBapElkGwsrZyLDl90dQ== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; '16,': 0.03; 'subject:PEP': 0.07; 'length.': 0.09; 'message-id:@4ax.com': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'rigorous': 0.09; 'assume': 0.11; 'stack': 0.13; '(mainly': 0.16; '*only*': 0.16; '2016': 0.16; '>on': 0.16; 'amiga': 0.16; 'pep8': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'usenet': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'url:home': 0.18; 'input': 0.18; 'runs': 0.18; '>>>': 0.20; 'all,': 0.20; 'visible': 0.22; 'sat,': 0.23; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'coding': 0.27; 'function': 0.28; 'larry': 0.29; 'screen.': 0.29; 'character': 0.29; 'code': 0.30; 'window': 0.30; 'largest': 0.31; 'everyone': 0.31; 'especially': 0.32; 'screen': 0.32; 'run': 0.33; 'lets': 0.33; 'open': 0.33; 'worked': 0.34; 'could': 0.35; 'text': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'too': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'pm,': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'agree': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.37; 'seem': 0.37; 'minimum': 0.38; 'stuff': 0.38; 'subject:the': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'where': 0.40; 'still': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'clients': 0.61; 'back': 0.62; 'matter': 0.63; 'companies': 0.63; 'judge': 0.66; 'estate': 0.76; 'miss': 0.77; '>if': 0.84; 'bloody': 0.84; 'ugly,': 0.84; 'dennis': 0.91; 'received:108': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-108-68-178-255.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 6.00/32.1186 X-No-Archive: YES X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: X-Mailman-Original-References: <87h9f26ioa.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <1460809922.1918014.580580553.0AE05EE4@webmail.messagingengine.com> <878u0d7az5.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:107132 On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 12:58:54 -0400, Larry Martell declaimed the following: >On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> Larry Martell : >> >>> I have worked for many companies where you are required to get a clean >>> run of pep8 on your code before your pull request will even be >>> considered for approval. I don't agree with this at all, as I think it >>> makes the code very ugly, especially enforcing the max line length. >> >> Agh, I was with you until your last remark. >> >> A max line length of 79 characters is among the *only* rigorous >> principles I judge coding style on. >> >> It comes with the maxim that one function must be visible at once on the >> screen. > >if we still had 1970's 80 character TTYs that would matter but on my >29" 1920x1080 screen it doesn't. Not everyone runs full-screen windows... The largest window I currently have open is the bloody browser (mainly because way too many web sites seem to assume a minimum witdth of 1280+ pixels). My email and Usenet clients are all just over 1/4 of screen estate (a 1920x1200 -- yes, 10x16, not 9x16 -- 24" monitor). That lets me see my 7 desktop icons and the "fuel gauge/tachometer" (memory/CPU) usage display. I still miss the Amiga -- in which one could /push/ a window to the back of the stack while still retaining input focus! Made it nice for transcribing stuff from a visible window to a text input region while it was obscured. -- Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN wlfraed@ix.netcom.com HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/