Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'context': 0.05; 'fixes': 0.05; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.05; 'redirected': 0.07; 'porting': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject:2.7': 0.09; 'thrown': 0.09; 'vast': 0.09; 'bug': 0.10; 'thread': 0.10; 'python': 0.10; '2.7': 0.13; 'things.': 0.15; '"some': 0.16; '2.7?': 0.16; 'devs': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:92.29': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject:non': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; "shouldn't": 0.18; 'language': 0.19; 'fix': 0.21; '2.x': 0.22; '3.x': 0.22; 'lawrence': 0.22; 'originally': 0.23; 'second': 0.24; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'earlier': 0.27; 'bugs': 0.27; 'thread,': 0.29; 'volunteers': 0.29; 'becomes': 0.30; 'e.g.': 0.30; 'programmers': 0.30; 'core': 0.32; 'up.': 0.32; 'language.': 0.32; 'quotes': 0.33; 'asking': 0.35; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'really': 0.37; 'being': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; 'why': 0.39; 'subject:-': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'mark': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'further': 0.62; 'back': 0.62; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.62; 'our': 0.64; 'you.': 0.64; 'believe': 0.66; "they're": 0.66; 'here': 0.66; 'stated': 0.70; 'hostile': 0.84; 'pythonistas,': 0.84; 'suggest,': 0.84; 'obvious,': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 02:46:13 +0100 References: <55ab2b73$0$1664$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-92-29-186-1.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.1.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1437356797 news.xs4all.nl 2852 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:50437 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.stben.net!border1.nntp.ams1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed8.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:94187 On 20/07/2015 02:20, Devin Jeanpierre wrote: > > I don't like how this is being redirected to "surely you > misunderstood" or "I don't believe you". The fact that some core devs > are hostile to 2.x development is really bleedingly obvious, you > shouldn't need quotes or context thrown at you. The rhetoric almost > always shies _just_ short of ceasing bugfixes (until 2020, when that > abruptly becomes a cracking good idea). e.g. in "2.7 is here until > 2020, please don't call it a waste". > A couple of things. First "some core devs are hostile", actually some have stated that they're simply not interested in 2.7 and will not work on it. Second how has the thread got here, as it was originally asking about back porting bug fixes from 3.x to 2.7? Further it said:- If the vast majority of Python programmers are focused on 2.7, why are volunteers to help fix 2.7 bugs so scarce? So I most humbly suggest, as I may have hinted at once or twice earlier in this thread, that people either put up or shut up. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence