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Thread-Topic: Slightly OT: What metro areas are best for a software development career? Thread-Index: AQHN9/OaUsFMTCoXGESRvAgU11ZtwZhT+X4A Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:58:38 +0000 References: <0df3f09e-18fd-472d-a5cb-37fc76030f34@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <0df3f09e-18fd-472d-a5cb-37fc76030f34@googlegroups.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.73.1.96] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2013 16:58:39.0844 (UTC) FILETIME=[8FB31240:01CDF7F8] X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 62 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1358787521 news.xs4all.nl 6867 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:34153 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:37213 > I am looking for a position as a software development engineer. I'm curr= ently learning to develop Android apps (http://www.jasonhsu.com/android-app= s), and I use > Python for implementing Doppler Value Investing (http://www.dopplervaluei= nvesting.com) and for developing Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org). = NOTE: Thanks > to those of you who answered the questions I asked as I developed Doppler= Value Investing. > > I currently live in Minnesota about 50 miles west of Minneapolis, and I a= m considering moving. What are the best metro areas (Silicon Valley, Los A= ngeles, San Diego,=20 > Chicago, Twin Cities, Boston, NYC, DC, etc.) for a software development c= areer, how would you rank them, and why? > > The Twin Cities metro area has a technical community portal called http:/= /tech.mn . Are there analogous technical community portals for other metro= areas? Well, for what it's worth, I've literally moved from coast to coast and fro= m my experience, that really depends entirely on what kind of programming y= ou want to do. Nevada has lots of jobs for casino-style gaming software de= velopment. Texas has a lot of industrial programming for oil rigs. Washin= gton (state) has a lot of Microsoft-related jobs. Portland, Oregon has a l= ot of Intel-related jobs. Etc. (Pennsylvania just kind of sucked.) In mo= st cases it's about what major business is in the area. So I'd say if you'= re not looking to be near your family or anything non-work related, then ju= st ask yourself what you want to do, look up who does it best and where the= ir main offices are located, and then apply for jobs there. Even if you do= n't get the dream job on the get-go, just getting a job that helps you move= into the area makes it that much easier to continue applying for your drea= m job over the years. So you say that you're currently developing Android apps. Google is Androi= d, so I'd suggest looking more around the Mountain View, CA area. (I wouldn't count on a Python-specific career anywhere though. Those kinds= of jobs are ones that you have to chase to the oddest ends of the Earth be= cause they're so rare.) Or, if you're just happy being a general programmer or switching things up = a lot, then aim for the more heavily populated areas like Silicon Valley an= d prepare to be chewed up and spat out by random companies while you grow i= n experience. Just make sure to look into the cost of living in and around the area that = you want to move to, keeping various forms of commuting in mind, so that yo= u can plan for how you'll pay the rent once you find a job you like. ;) F= ortunately, most major metro areas have good forms of public transportation= . (Maybe not enjoyable, but dependable and affordable at least.) That, and if you have any allergies or medical conditions, keep in mind the= area. Portland, OR was a lovely place to be my first year there, but my s= econd spring there the pollen counts shot through the roof so I had to leav= e after a really bad bout of bronchitis. So if you have any health issues,= research the area well. Even a whole year of living there isn't always en= ough to prove the area safe. And good luck! Sincerely, Arah Leonard