Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.005 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'third-party': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'plenty': 0.07; 'etc).': 0.09; 'imho.': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'tcl/tk': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'url:download': 0.12; "wouldn't": 0.14; '"mark': 0.16; '(yes': 0.16; 'all?': 0.16; 'configuring': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'store!': 0.16; 'tcl': 0.16; 'tkinter.': 0.16; 'url:mac': 0.16; 'url:tcltk': 0.16; 'apps': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'install': 0.23; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'certainly': 0.24; 'versions': 0.24; 'source': 0.25; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'related': 0.29; '(like': 0.30; 'newer': 0.30; '(which': 0.31; 'default,': 0.31; 'option': 0.32; 'run': 0.32; 'another': 0.32; 'open': 0.33; 'url:python': 0.33; 'entirely': 0.33; 'problem': 0.35; 'case,': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'version': 0.36; 'really': 0.36; 'idle': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'apple': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'environment.': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'users': 0.40; 'color': 0.61; 'new': 0.61; 'matter': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'here:': 0.62; "you'll": 0.62; 'more': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'details': 0.65; 'subject:. ': 0.67; 'received:204': 0.75; 'article': 0.77; 'crummy': 0.84; 'received:204.14': 0.84; 'route': 0.84; 'ships': 0.84; 'subject:Development': 0.95; 'serious': 0.97 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ned Deily Subject: Re: Mac vs. Linux for Python Development Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2014 15:07:29 -0800 References: <2465a8c7-ce0e-4606-ad3b-9135c96e3e4c@googlegroups.com> <4e741358-ce12-40ac-97b8-3bbbf2d6ddca@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.14.154.233 User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.3b3 (Intel Mac OS X) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1393715261 news.xs4all.nl 2907 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:39511 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:67389 In article <4e741358-ce12-40ac-97b8-3bbbf2d6ddca@googlegroups.com>, "Mark H. Harris" wrote: > [...] > The main problem you will see with OSX (if you're not careful) is that IDLE > will be unstable. To be fair about it, its not IDLE's problem, per se. Its > about tcl/tk tkinter. DO NOT use the built-in tcl that comes from Apple, nor > the one that comes through the Apple store! Actually go to the Active TCL > site and download the version related to your system (yes there is a > different one depending on 10.5 10.6 etc). The gory details are here: http://www.python.org/download/mac/tcltk/ TL;DR You'll need to install newer versions of Python (like those download from python.org) that link with third-party builds of Tcl/Tk rather than use the Pythons and Tcl/Tk that Apple ships with OS X 10.6+. > [...] > If you want to use terminals on OSX you'll want to install Quartz and run > the terminal on the emulated X environment. It works better for python IMHO. > The built-in terminal for OSX need serious configuring (which is possible) > because its color is bad, and its tiny by default, with a crummy font. All of > that can be changed, but it just works better to use XQuartz. That certainly is a matter of preference. There are plenty of drawbacks to using X11-based apps on OS X. I wouldn't advise new users to OS X to go that route unless they were really set on using X11 entirely and, in that case, why use OS X at all? If you don't like Apple's built-in Terminal.app, another option is to use iTerm 2, an open source native alternative that has many more features. http://www.iterm2.com/ It's also available through MacPorts. -- Ned Deily, nad@acm.org