Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.037 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.93; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'cache': 0.07; 'ide': 0.09; 'instance.': 0.09; 'windows,': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'thread': 0.14; 'windows': 0.15; '(when': 0.16; 'caches': 0.16; 'decimal.': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'osx)': 0.16; 'tcl': 0.16; 'folks': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'do.': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; 'else,': 0.19; 'version.': 0.19; 'import': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'comparing': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'second': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'am,': 0.29; 'generally': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; '(which': 0.31; 'gives': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'this.': 0.32; 'run': 0.32; 'another': 0.32; 'linux': 0.33; 'entirely': 0.33; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'version': 0.36; 'really': 0.36; 'disk': 0.36; 'idle': 0.36; "i'll": 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'being': 0.38; 'hat': 0.38; 'stable': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'sure': 0.39; 'is.': 0.60; 'warm': 0.60; 'simple': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'times': 0.62; 'hearing': 0.63; 'show': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'fire': 0.65; 'latest': 0.67; 'subject:. 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Harris wrot= e: > Py3.3.4 and the latest Active TCL are stable on OSX 10.6 or higher. I hav= e been very pleased with IDLE on both Gnu/Linux and OSX ( I refuse to use W= indows ever again, ever) and my latest experience has been fabulous, really= . My hat is off to the folks that have made IDLE the simple stable and pow= erful IDE that it is. I am being genuine about this. > > Another reason for using Gnu/Linux (and/or OSX) is that generally they ar= e faster. Faster loading, and faster running. Serious. I have been heari= ng of (4) second import times for decimal, for instance. Its almost instant= aneous on Gnu/Linux, or OSX. Also, run times are considerably faster. Tha= t has less to do with the Windows version of python, and more to do with th= e Windows version. YMMV > The point of this thread isn't really about Windows, so I'll try to keep it brief, but there are a couple of things I should clarify. The first one is about the 4+ second import time for decimal. I cited that, recently, and comparing that with "almost instantaneous" on Debian (which is what I experience) isn't entirely fair, because it's more about cold cache versus warm cache. (When I shut down IDLE and fire it up again, I get sub-second import time. Not as fast as the "so quick as to be immeasurable" that my Debian box gave, but still quicker than the 4ish second cold cache.) Actually, I do find that my Linux boxes manage their disk caches far better than my Windows boxes do. Not sure if that's Linux versus Windows, or the ext3/4 versus NTFS file system drivers, or something else, but a warm cache on any of my Linux boxes gives a *huge* advantage, and my Windows boxes still show it a bit slower. ChrisA