Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Michael Torrie Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: OT: citizens and countries - was Re: v3.5.1 - msi download Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 21:21:56 -0700 Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <1c5709fb-f490-4494-a910-cd819f732322@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de mEcjZEpzjK6YApQNuAG/aAHo9AiXEf0vnX0BuINhuJ4A== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.171 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.66; '*S*': 0.00; '*is*': 0.09; 'boring': 0.09; 'americans': 0.16; 'from:addr:torriem': 0.16; 'from:name:michael torrie': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'resist': 0.16; 'subject:download': 0.16; 'thinking,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'received:10.0.1': 0.18; 'language': 0.19; 'lawrence': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'to?': 0.27; "can't": 0.32; 'language.': 0.32; 'maybe': 0.33; 'message-id:@gmail.com': 0.34; 'received:10.0': 0.34; 'but': 0.36; 'created': 0.36; 'serve': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'pm,': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:10': 0.37; 'expect': 0.37; 'say': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; 'things': 0.38; 'someone': 0.38; 'expressed': 0.39; 'build': 0.40; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'mark': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'john': 0.61; 'us.': 0.62; 'citizens': 0.63; 'great': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'deeply': 0.64; 'benefit': 0.66; 'country.': 0.67; 'american': 0.69; 'country': 0.74; 'saw': 0.77; 'americans.': 0.84; 'citizens.': 0.84; 'countries,': 0.84; 'kennedy': 0.84; 'pythonistas,': 0.84 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at torriefamily.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.1.0 In-Reply-To: <1c5709fb-f490-4494-a910-cd819f732322@googlegroups.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:100758 On 12/22/2015 07:06 PM, jfong@ms4.hinet.net wrote: > Mark Lawrence at 2015/12/21 UTC+8 8:50:00PM wrote: >> My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask >> what you can do for our language. > > When I saw this sentence, I can't resist to think of the famous lie created by president John kennedy: "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country". > > A COUNTRY WAS BUILT TO SERVE THE PEOPLE!!! > > Do you think people are so boring that they have to build a country to serve to? In the American way of thinking, the country *is* the people. So it was neither a lie nor a bad thing that Kennedy proclaimed. Maybe this is not true for other countries, but I think most Americans would feel it is true for their country. And indeed the sentiment that Kennedy expressed resonates deeply with many/most Americans. A country is only made great by citizens willing to do many things for the good of the country and their fellow citizens. A country in which citizens only expect things from the country and never think about their ability to change and benefit the country is a week country indeed. I say this as a someone not from the US.