Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.redatomik.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.020 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; '"r"': 0.09; 'combines': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject: [': 0.09; 'subject:language': 0.09; '"s"': 0.16; '>to': 0.16; 'hint': 0.16; 'message- id:@4ax.com': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'bit': 0.19; 'thu,': 0.19; 'url:home': 0.24; 'fairly': 0.24; 'certain': 0.27; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'subject:) ': 0.29; 'especially': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'comments': 0.31; 'usually': 0.31; '(although': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'another': 0.32; 'beginning': 0.33; 'one,': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; "didn't": 0.36; 'charset:us- ascii': 0.36; 'changing': 0.37; 'problems': 0.38; 'subject:]': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'voice': 0.60; 'wife': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'high': 0.63; 'hear': 0.63; 'teach': 0.65; 'within': 0.65; 'mar': 0.68; 'sound': 0.68; '2015': 0.84; 'subject:Practices': 0.84; 'unaware': 0.84; 'received:108': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Dennis Lee Bieber Subject: Re: (Still OT) Nationalism, language and monoculture [was Re: Python Worst Practices] Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2015 20:39:50 -0500 Organization: IISS Elusive Unicorn References: <726afahrhnim716av2dnckrsd9n5j5kukj@4ax.com> <21dafa533nrsmktshd35kdbd13ahgj50bf@4ax.com> <87fv9k2999.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <54f7599d$0$12988$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <8761ag36du.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <54f766ea$0$12992$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-108-79-221-198.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 6.00/32.1186 X-No-Archive: YES X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.19 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1425605996 news.xs4all.nl 2832 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:52506 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:86971 On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 07:11:21 +1100, Steven D'Aprano declaimed the following: > >As for your comments about spoken accents, I sympathise. But changing >accents is very hard for most people (although a very few people find it >incredibly easy). Even professionals typically need to have voice coaches >to teach them to change accents successfully. One of the problems is that >most people don't hear their own accent. My wife usually has a fairly >generic English accent that most people think is American, but within >seconds of beginning to talk to another Irish person she is speaking in a >full-blown Irish accent, and she is *completely* unaware of it. As an army-brat, I'm not certain of any accent I might have... especially when one combines that I didn't achieve an "r" sound until fifth grade, and my "s" is non-standard (low-tongue, rather than classical high tongue [I just tried, and high-tongue is all "eth"]). Every so often I end up with a "crick" for "creak", and that "r" is still a bit weak -- if I'm flustered I start sounding like Elmer Fudd with a hint of Daffy Duck/Sylvester "wathcally wabbit". While, to this one, Irish accents have a, uhm, cuteness about them -- Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN wlfraed@ix.netcom.com HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/