Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.007 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'operator': 0.03; 'assignment': 0.07; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; '20]': 0.16; 'assigns': 0.16; 'in-place': 0.16; 'mutated': 0.16; 'ok...': 0.16; 'top-level': 0.16; 'tuple': 0.16; 'typeerror:': 0.16; 'sender:addr:gmail.com': 0.17; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'variable': 0.18; 'things.': 0.19; 'feb': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'first,': 0.26; 'this:': 0.26; 'gets': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'gives': 0.31; '"",': 0.31; '>>>>': 0.31; 'asks': 0.31; 'raised': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'probably': 0.32; '(most': 0.33; 'fri,': 0.33; 'common': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'add': 0.35; 'two': 0.37; 'whatever': 0.38; 'list,': 0.38; 'recent': 0.39; 'does': 0.39; 'then,': 0.60; 'back': 0.62; 'such': 0.63; '30,': 0.65; 'to:addr:gmail.com': 0.65; 'confusion.': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=InelPMoCr++L5Q3Dp5GibF4277SyZgCPFDexMr8KejE=; b=G6GoLRRH1uk2kRjc2VxtlyR10dHipQdbsd0oRWnYyHHojQzM3cnyg5Oe4hByr2ld1z DUdsRKpVFyrYrDmzTPofvJeuzhFjGyXUlQX9HQ/MVhlYYLXX9C6bTHnZPcCf6Cg4fKu8 oL2CGyUDmhkX8s3H35KhgosO2TvWObwc9kLpKZR+n5uRDTy4/H0XUB/KJIso70o1vgZT 9X+BPD1ZTojBs1BV3yxToqBoOp/5cnX0CZ8uAOq7YnjCMk11sscFuNJy7L1Baz8CaPZv 5f69338SUhr5Z57r4/uN/+DZnuSsvRvLumYrx5ysqERjx8ZQaR2cc2egt2qsqt6x3d4/ L7cg== X-Received: by 10.112.125.225 with SMTP id mt1mr10948300lbb.35.1393598520136; Fri, 28 Feb 2014 06:42:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: From: Joshua Landau Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 14:41:20 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: SpFnMmaBHrHGOiyJMSEc-l9Hu5c Subject: Re: Tuples and immutability To: Chris Angelico Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: "python-list@python.org" X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1393598528 news.xs4all.nl 2891 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:58191 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:67225 On 27 February 2014 16:14, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 3:01 AM, Eric Jacoboni wrote: >> >>>>> a_tuple = ("spam", [10, 30], "eggs") >>>>> a_tuple[1] += [20] >> Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "", line 1, in >> TypeError: 'tuple' object does not support item assignment >> >> Ok... I accept this message as += is a reassignment of a_tuple[1] and a >> tuple is immutable... >> >> But, then, why a_tuple is still modified? > > This is a common confusion. > > The += operator does two things. First, it asks the target to please > do an in-place addition of the other operand. Then, it takes whatever > result the target gives back, and assigns it back into the target. So > with a list, it goes like this: > >>>> foo = [10, 30] >>>> foo.__iadd__([20]) > [10, 30, 20] >>>> foo = _ Would it be better to add a check here, such that if this gets raised to the top-level it includes a warning ("Addition was inplace; variable probably mutated despite assignment failure")?