Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!194.109.133.85.MISMATCH!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.049 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.90; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.04; 'craft': 0.09; 'developer?': 0.09; 'down,': 0.09; 'sake': 0.09; 'wrote:': 0.14; 'ever.': 0.16; "friends'": 0.16; 'hackers': 0.16; 'insist': 0.16; 'mart\xednez': 0.16; 'occasionally': 0.16; 'fair': 0.19; 'google,': 0.20; 'software.': 0.21; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; '(and': 0.22; 'elegant': 0.23; 'engineer': 0.25; 'received:209.85.212': 0.25; 'from,': 0.25; 'guess': 0.26; "i'm": 0.26; 'proprietary': 0.26; 'definition': 0.29; 'fri,': 0.29; 'originally': 0.29; 'beauty': 0.31; 'url:articles': 0.31; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.32; 'thank': 0.32; '...': 0.32; 'someone': 0.33; 'from:charset:iso-8859-1': 0.33; 'uses': 0.34; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.35; '----': 0.36; 'quite': 0.36; 'too': 0.36; 'rather': 0.36; 'received:209.85': 0.37; 'apr': 0.38; 'hack': 0.38; 'lab': 0.38; 'received:google.com': 0.38; 'but': 0.38; 'url:org': 0.38; 'me?': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'where': 0.39; 'received:209': 0.39; 'count': 0.40; 'would': 0.40; "it's": 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'closed': 0.60; 'media': 0.61; 'back': 0.61; '2011': 0.62; 'free': 0.62; 'url:cgi-bin': 0.63; 'url:cgi': 0.65; 'cause': 0.65; 'url:type': 0.68; 'url:0': 0.69; 'accounts.': 0.77; 'forever': 0.84; 'ibm,': 0.84; 'joyful': 0.84; 'ethical': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=zCgewA6ZaDGXhiS/WEDfyZHYD5do3V2yiKIQls7M7zg=; b=Y0hlvd/yHzZX+1HEDE99whD/cCR6om6pfadBkzytAZWLMWF1V9L/U2dJYGAmSwksLi XX8oYVyhLkxZhJvbC9PbWl8nB7Qc19vIXJFx7uQpkrHPXH2kHcFrOsI93vP7H2BJ9vs+ 438u4LY3rO4J2IqHUpZN+yg3tn5j9SHXAcnwI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding :in-reply-to:user-agent; b=MyMdLP7GcfQZ3iG519Hh1z7uT+pr08MvlgLVAy8iVqlUg3RI6U3OY/2GZmrhoMQXer 2AKOS7ylSQl3peFrtRFnwdW/9ADR0xIxEh0I/1+5XKEPRIxO+iJ7ZuHmWlw/nhdN718G Hjko2HDGJdkyUamty2Gg4fDrUMmlhtWNN+1yU= Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 06:49:22 -0700 From: Westley =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mart=EDnez?= To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Teaching Python References: <1284d6a5-60e3-4575-a879-ba5014fd7763@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com> <87d3kheqgs.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <20110421135810.GA9878@Smoke> <4DB05734.8030200@mrabarnett.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 54 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1303480169 news.xs4all.nl 41103 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:57991 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:3867 On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 01:04:55AM -0500, harrismh777 wrote: > Westley Martínez wrote: > >But really, hack > >> >has always been a negative term. It's original definition is chopping, > >> >breaking down, kind of like chopping down the security on someone elses > >> >computer. Now I don't know where the term originally came from, but the > >> >definition the media uses is quite a fair use. > > > Not so much... > > ... the term hacker was coined at the MIT lab back in the days of > the PDP-10 /11. We can thank RMS, and friends. > > > http://stallman.org/cgi-bin/showpage.cgi?path=/articles/on-hacking.html&term=hacking&type=norm&case=0 > > > RMS coined the term "Cracker" for the pejorative use. > > Hackers cause no harm; ever. Hackers are elegant ethical people > who love the craft for the sake of the craft and the beauty of their > art. > > Hackers do have a disdain for "Herbert," (if you're a Trek-ie you > know what I mean) ...and hackers love to taunt Herbert... > > Herbert...! Herbert...! Herbert...! > > /\ > / \ > ---- > > Hackers are free and insist on freedom. Hackers would rather count > on their fingers than be forced to use proprietary closed systems > and software. Hackers have no use for IBM, nor Microsoft. (nor > google) > > > I am and forever will be a joyful hacker.... :) > > > > > PS The media is clueless... (Herbert... Herbert... Herbert...) > > > > Well I guess that means I'm no hacker. I love IBM and Microsoft (and Google, too ^_^). So what would you call me? A developer? I'm unemployed. A cracker? Well I do like to exploit website's security and occasionally social engineer my friends' e-mail accounts.