Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.franciliens.net!news.muarf.org!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'assignment': 0.07; 'modified': 0.07; 'result,': 0.07; 'skip:` 10': 0.07; 'assigning': 0.09; 'meaningful': 0.09; '3:27': 0.16; 'defined.': 0.16; 'descriptor': 0.16; 'in-place': 0.16; 'invokes': 0.16; 'least.': 0.16; 'nick': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'thu,': 0.19; 'meant': 0.20; 'feb': 0.22; 'skip': 0.24; 'possibly': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'consequence': 0.31; 'equivalent.': 0.31; '(e.g.': 0.33; 'fri,': 0.33; 'skip:_ 10': 0.34; 'except': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'list': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'whatever': 0.38; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'called': 0.40; 'more': 0.64; 'side': 0.67 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=F3cKNmfz3aJ+jEmtTInQHeaijWUCYpsQvJpF2jYsePk=; b=CIYe0TshOyYsLf+/putQum2A6fgcjbDAof8ff4NlVd7drHhFwiCTmQcGmJdvcV9jXz ZJKUR0RMlUGpilxpJCKPwlbJkGOH7rU4TZshvaiXEdYUkoHTbszh+Lsszbl4/OVyfuf1 mndmjB5lIKF3UxbYHh31Tbf6YnIs7stZr9dGq4FS0S605I9eBBUrGKUfntqNFDdVqrUV eb7yDm01HsO9jSj3+eW1GydeuuM2Yf0aYIGv5S8363eslCipGEZy0XHXK3hbWRWxbxBx Ie2I3XMfEkV12uJTpQIQP5eHtJ6YPaJEL5pPbkK+k96/yTRoha+KNG24BCWJbsAItw7w AhkA== X-Received: by 10.66.171.76 with SMTP id as12mr4759192pac.52.1393539522454; Thu, 27 Feb 2014 14:18:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Ian Kelly Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 15:18:01 -0700 Subject: Re: Tuples and immutability To: Python Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1393539531 news.xs4all.nl 2960 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:40175 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:67172 On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Nick Timkovich wrote: > On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:33 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: >> >> On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 3:27 AM, Eric Jacoboni >> wrote: >> > But, imho, it's far from being a intuitive result, to say the least. >> >> It's unintuitive, but it's a consequence of the way += is defined. If >> you don't want assignment, don't use assignment :) >> >> ChrisA > > > Where is `.__iadd__()` called outside of `list += X`? If the only > difference from `.extend()` is that it returns `self`, but the list was > already modified anyway, why bother with reassignment? x += y is meant to be equivalent, except possibly in-place and more efficient, than x = x + y. If you skip the assignment, and that assignment is meaningful to whatever the left side may be (e.g. assigning to a descriptor or something that invokes __setitem__ or __setattr__), then the operation is not equivalent.