Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'ah,': 0.09; 'from:addr:ethan': 0.09; 'from:addr:stoneleaf.us': 0.09; 'from:name:ethan furman': 0.09; 'message-id:@stoneleaf.us': 0.09; 'received:184.172': 0.09; 'received:gator410.hostgator.com': 0.09; 'wrong,': 0.09; '~ethan~': 0.09; 'dictionary,': 0.16; 'insist': 0.16; 'mistake.': 0.16; 'received:72.11': 0.16; 'received:72.11.125': 0.16; 'received:72.11.125.166': 0.16; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.21; "doesn't": 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'topic.': 0.23; 'saying': 0.26; 'cc:2**0': 0.26; 'somebody': 0.28; 'matches': 0.29; 'sorry,': 0.29; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.29; 'hurt': 0.30; 'point,': 0.32; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.33; 'decide': 0.33; 'rules': 0.34; 'steven': 0.34; 'apply': 0.35; 'references': 0.38; 'should': 0.38; "i'd": 0.39; 'back': 0.60; 'course,': 0.62; 'talking': 0.62; 'received:websitewelcome.com': 0.64; 'received:69.56': 0.73; 'life.': 0.73; 'received:gateway15.websitewelcome.com': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.93 Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 13:30:15 -0700 From: Ethan Furman User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Python is readable References: <4f612b19$0$1379$4fafbaef@reader2.news.tin.it> <8e72d74f-c844-4de3-8a37-f6b1fdc2291f@y27g2000yqy.googlegroups.com> <50e9ceec-40f1-4ead-b2b6-87328b30d084@ow8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com> <4f61c828$0$1390$4fafbaef@reader2.news.tin.it> <4f61d728$0$1375$4fafbaef@reader2.news.tin.it> <4f61fd0a$0$1389$4fafbaef@reader2.news.tin.it> <4f6280a0$0$29981$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4f6333ca$0$1392$4fafbaef@reader1.news.tin.it> <4f633a1a$0$29981$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <9sgsb1FsbpU1@mid.individual.net> <4f636a38$0$29981$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <9shd0kFvgbU1@mid.individual.net> In-Reply-To: <9shd0kFvgbU1@mid.individual.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator410.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - python.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - stoneleaf.us X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: mail.admailinc.com ([192.168.10.136]) [72.11.125.166]:1554 X-Source-Auth: ethan+stoneleaf.us X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: dG9idWs7dG9idWs7Z2F0b3I0MTAuaG9zdGdhdG9yLmNvbQ== X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1331931088 news.xs4all.nl 6898 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:58030 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:21776 Neil Cerutti wrote: > On 2012-03-16, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> Ah, perhaps you're talking about *prescriptivist* grammarians, >> who insist on applying grammatical rules that exist only in >> their own fevered imagination. Sorry, I was talking about the >> other sort, the ones who apply the grammatical rules used by >> people in real life. You know the ones: linguists. My mistake. > > I am not pedantic. You are wrong. > When saying somebody is wrong, you really should back it up with references (wiki, dictionary, etc.). At this point, if I had to decide between Steven and you, I'd go with Steven. Of course, it doesn't hurt that everything he has said matches with my experience on the topic. ~Ethan~