Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!1.eu.feeder.erje.net!bcyclone02.am1.xlned.com!bcyclone02.am1.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed7.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.09; 'plug': 0.09; 'received:openend.se': 0.09; 'received:theraft.openend.se': 0.09; 'subject:2.7': 0.09; 'python': 0.10; '2.7': 0.13; 'cc:addr:lac': 0.16; 'cc:addr:openend.se': 0.16; 'cc:name:python': 0.16; 'from:addr:lac': 0.16; 'from:addr:openend.se': 0.16; 'from:name:laura creighton': 0.16; 'message-id:@fido.openend.se': 0.16; 'received:89.233': 0.16; 'received:89.233.217': 0.16; 'received:89.233.217.133': 0.16; 'received:fido': 0.16; 'received:fido.openend.se': 0.16; 'simulate': 0.16; 'subject:non': 0.16; 'laura': 0.18; 'runs': 0.18; 'all,': 0.20; '2015': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.20; 'fix': 0.21; 'machine': 0.21; 'cc:2**1': 0.22; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.24; 'figure': 0.27; 'tech': 0.27; 'does,': 0.29; 'received:se': 0.29; 'running.': 0.29; 'board': 0.30; 'code': 0.30; 'running': 0.34; 'machines': 0.35; 'skip:> 10': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'there': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'really': 0.37; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.37; 'things': 0.38; 'version': 0.38; 'architecture': 0.38; 'enough': 0.39; 'subject:-': 0.39; 'still': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'header:Message-Id:1': 0.61; 'jul': 0.72; 'received:89': 0.80; 'friend': 0.81; 'dead.': 0.84; 'working,': 0.84 To: Ian Kelly cc: Python , lac@openend.se From: Laura Creighton Subject: Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? In-Reply-To: Message from Ian Kelly of "Sun, 19 Jul 2015 09:29:11 -0600." References: <201507190927.t6J9RVqM017606@fido.openend.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <30316.1437329670.1@fido> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 20:14:30 +0200 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.9 (theraft.openend.se [89.233.217.130]); Sun, 19 Jul 2015 20:14:37 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1437329684 news.xs4all.nl 2918 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:60032 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl X-Received-Bytes: 4274 X-Received-Body-CRC: 57385534 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:94145 In a message of Sun, 19 Jul 2015 09:29:11 -0600, Ian Kelly writes: >I think this is an unrealistic and unattainable goal. Even if you stop >patching your Python 2.7 version altogether, what about the >environment that it runs in? Are you going to stop patching the OS >forever? Are you going to fix the current machine architecture exactly >as it is, forever? I don't know if industrial code uses a network much >or at all, but if it does, are you never going to upgrade your network >infrastructure? There is clearly some wishful thinking going around here, but in terms of having the same machine architecture forever ... well, my friend the hardware guy can make you a board that you can plug your old perfectly working, reliable 1970s tech machines into -- because they really want to be plugged into a pdp-11 running RSX-11. Then we fake things using Python to simulate enough RSX-11 to keep on running. We figure the machines will still be running long after we are dead. Laura