Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.012 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'imply': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'finney': 0.16; 'nan': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'semantics': 0.16; 'thursday,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; '>>>': 0.22; 'example': 0.22; 'python?': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'example.': 0.24; 'fine': 0.24; 'define': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'primarily': 0.30; 'writes:': 0.31; 'maybe': 0.34; 'subject: (': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'false': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'ben': 0.38; 'question,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'march': 0.61; "you've": 0.63; 'email addr:gmail.com': 0.63; 'such': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'here': 0.66; '2015': 0.84; 'received:125': 0.84; '\xe2\x80\x9cwe': 0.84; 'suffer': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: Re: Is nan in (nan,) correct? Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2015 10:39:59 +1100 References: <5cfab73a-ec0b-488b-8787-72e7640dc352@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jigong.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xAC128405 X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 517C F14B B2F3 98B0 CB35 4855 B8B2 4C06 AC12 8405 X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-pubkey.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:4X0AsfPyjArI5qCLpEQeEwYY3Lo= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.19 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1425598789 news.xs4all.nl 2978 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:60880 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:86967 sohcahtoa82@gmail.com writes: > On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 3:20:16 PM UTC-8, Ben Finney wrote: > > It is fine to define such a type in Python, because 'is' does not > > necessarily imply '=='. > > Do you have an example of where `a is b` but `a != b` in Python? Maybe I misunderstand your question, but you've already been discussing such an example. Here it is for clarity:: >>> nan = float("NaN") >>> (nan is nan) == (nan == nan) False >>> nan is nan True >>> nan == nan False > `None == None` is True. Right, the Python `None` is not the null I was describing. Python does allow for a null with the semantics I described, because ‘is’ does not imply ‘==’. -- \ “We suffer primarily not from our vices or our weaknesses, but | `\ from our illusions.” —Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, 1914–2004 | _o__) | Ben Finney