Path: csiph.com!optima2.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!border1.nntp.ams1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed7.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'pycon': 0.03; 'fixes': 0.05; '(so': 0.07; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.09; '"if': 0.09; '3.0.': 0.09; "ain't": 0.09; 'broke': 0.09; 'creighton': 0.09; 'fixed,': 0.09; 'received:openend.se': 0.09; 'received:theraft.openend.se': 0.09; 'subject:2.7': 0.09; 'bug': 0.10; 'python': 0.10; ':-)': 0.12; '2.7': 0.13; 'do,': 0.15; '(well,': 0.16; '1.5,': 0.16; '1.5.2': 0.16; '>on': 0.16; 'cc:addr:lac': 0.16; 'cc:addr:openend.se': 0.16; 'cool.': 0.16; 'from:addr:lac': 0.16; 'from:addr:openend.se': 0.16; 'from:name:laura creighton': 0.16; 'general.': 0.16; 'iterators': 0.16; 'keyword,': 0.16; 'message-id:@fido.openend.se': 0.16; 'received:89.233': 0.16; 'received:89.233.217': 0.16; 'received:89.233.217.133': 0.16; 'received:fido': 0.16; 'received:fido.openend.se': 0.16; 'stuff.': 0.16; 'subject:non': 0.16; 'to:addr:pearwood.info': 0.16; "to:name:steven d'aprano": 0.16; 'unsupported': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'laura': 0.18; '2015': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.20; 'permission': 0.20; 'fix': 0.21; "we'd": 0.21; 'work,': 0.21; 'cc:2**1': 0.22; 'not,': 0.22; 'saying': 0.22; '3.x': 0.22; 'developers.': 0.22; 'struct': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'compatible': 0.27; 'bugs': 0.27; '3.0': 0.27; 'function': 0.28; 'received:se': 0.29; 'running.': 0.29; 'ago': 0.29; 'cc:no real name:2**1': 0.29; 'there.': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'code': 0.30; 'certainly': 0.30; 'post': 0.31; 'core': 0.32; 'aside': 0.32; 'older': 0.32; 'legacy': 0.33; 'right?': 0.33; 'that,': 0.34; 'stable': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; "isn't": 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'too': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'needed': 0.36; 'there': 0.36; "wasn't": 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'pm,': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'really': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'expect': 0.37; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.37; 'difference': 0.38; 'version': 0.38; 'wrong': 0.38; 'mean': 0.38; 'enough': 0.39; 'along': 0.39; 'subject:-': 0.39; 'where': 0.40; 'still': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'ever': 0.60; 'care': 0.60; 'hope': 0.61; 'skip:u 10': 0.61; 'header:Message-Id:1': 0.61; 'us.': 0.62; 'back': 0.62; 'great': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'world': 0.64; 'cold': 0.70; 'jul': 0.72; 'yourself': 0.73; 'received:89': 0.80; 'old,': 0.83; '+1000,': 0.84; '1970s,': 0.84; '>if': 0.84; 'asked.': 0.84; 'dead.': 0.84; 'it"': 0.84; 'nice,': 0.84; 'rubbish': 0.84; 'stone': 0.84; 'updates,': 0.84; 'absolutely': 0.88; 'forever.': 0.93; 'lucky': 0.93 To: "Steven D'Aprano" cc: python-list@python.org, lac@openend.se From: Laura Creighton Subject: Re: Should non-security 2.7 bugs be fixed? In-Reply-To: Message from "Steven D'Aprano" of "Sun, 19 Jul 2015 23:59:29 +1000." <55abad41$0$1642$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <55abad41$0$1642$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <24846.1437315312.1@fido> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 16:15:12 +0200 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.9 (theraft.openend.se [89.233.217.130]); Sun, 19 Jul 2015 16:15:25 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 51 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1437315345 news.xs4all.nl 2941 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:56490 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:94121 In a message of Sun, 19 Jul 2015 23:59:29 +1000, "Steven D'Aprano" writes: >On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 07:27 pm, Laura Creighton wrote: > >> In the tiny corner of industrial automation where I do a lot of work, >> nobody is using 3.0. > >I should hope not, because 3.0 was rubbish and is unsupported :-) > >I expect you mean 3.x in general. indeed. Or should I be saying Python 3000. >Bug for bug compatible back to the 1970s, right? :-) Exactly. >> So there is great hope among industrial users of Python >> that we can get a hold of a 'never going to change any more' version >> of Python, and then code in that 'forever' knowing that a code change >> isn't going to come along and break all our stuff. > >Presumably they like the 2.7 features too much to go back to an even older >version. Because 2.5 or even 1.5 are pretty stable now. > >I'm not kidding about 1.5, a year or two ago there was (so I'm told) a >fellow at PyCon in the US who was still using 1.5. "If it ain't broke, >don't fix it" -- he wasn't concerned about security updates, or new >features, he just needed to keep his legacy applications running. I have 1.5 code out there. Unless something breaks there is no way that I will get permission to ever change it. >I get it, I really do, and so do the core developers. (Well, most of them, >and certainly Guido.) It cannot be said often enough and loudly enough that >if you find yourself in the lucky position where you don't need to care >about security updates, bug fixes or new functionality, there is absolutely >nothing wrong with using an old, unmaintained, stable version forever. Well, Terry asked. In my corner of the world -- well, iterators are cool. Though a ton of my code broke when we got a 'yield' keyword, as I had used that as a function name all over the place ... But aside from that, pretty much nothing post 1.5.2 really made a difference for us. Some bugs in struct got fixed, and that was nice, but, well on the whole we'd like stone cold dead. >-- >Steven Laura