Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder7.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Open': 0.05; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject:Source': 0.09; 'posted': 0.15; 'broken.': 0.16; 'discussed.': 0.16; 'ecosystem': 0.16; 'examples:': 0.16; 'from:addr:pitrou.net': 0.16; 'from:addr:solipsis': 0.16; 'from:name:antoine pitrou': 0.16; 'message-id:@post.gmane.org': 0.16; 'perl.': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'roderick': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'adds': 0.24; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'originally': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'argue': 0.31; 'perl': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'languages': 0.32; 'programmers': 0.33; 'comment': 0.34; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'in.': 0.36; 'surely': 0.36; 'view,': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'most': 0.60; 'subject:The': 0.64; 'said:': 0.68; 'antoine.': 0.84; 'rusi': 0.91; 'average': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Antoine Pitrou Subject: Re: The node.js Community is Quietly Changing the Face of Open Source Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 09:09:10 +0000 (UTC) References: <77c77567-a97b-474c-8a92-975fe88947f5@mq5g2000pbb.googlegroups.com> <08b4455c-0971-4c35-9e96-b6d5cddf9a71@g5g2000pbp.googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 88.163.232.20 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1366189770 news.xs4all.nl 2571 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:37657 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:43745 rusi gmail.com> writes: > > Just what I said: ecosystem matters. We may or may not argue about > "more than language", but it surely matters. Some examples: > > 1. In the link that Roderick originally posted there is a long comment > that adds perl to the languages the author discussed. As a language > perl is… um well… its perl. Yet when perl wins its because CPAN > wins. > > 2. Haskell as a language is very well designed. However its package > system -- cabal+hackage -- is completely broken. I think you are deluded. Haskell may very well designed from a language theoretist's point of view, but I suspect most average programmers would find it a hell to code in. Regards Antoine.