Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.007 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'example:': 0.03; 'decorator': 0.07; 'users,': 0.07; 'python': 0.09; 'does,': 0.09; 'sep': 0.09; 'def': 0.10; 'subject:not': 0.11; 'agree.': 0.16; 'email addr:functools.wraps(func)': 0.16; 'timeout):': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'decorators': 0.22; 'effort.': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; 'work.': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'realize': 0.27; 'email name:': 0.29; 'steven': 0.29; 'fri,': 0.30; 'function': 0.30; '-----': 0.32; 'not.': 0.32; '+0200,': 0.33; "aren't": 0.33; 'function.': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'another': 0.33; 'returning': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'does': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'things': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'takes': 0.39; 'your': 0.60; 'easy': 0.60; 'received:194': 0.61; 'experts': 0.66; 'cook,': 0.84; 'drive.': 0.84; 'tie': 0.84 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.80,423,1344204000"; d="scan'208";a="726259" X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.sequans.com Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 17:35:57 +0200 (CEST) From: Jean-Michel Pichavant To: python-list@python.org In-Reply-To: <50534b1e$0$29981$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Subject: Re: Decorators not worth the effort MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Zimbra 7.2.0_GA_2669 (ZimbraWebClient - GC7 (Linux)/7.2.0_GA_2669) Cc: Steven D'Aprano X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1347636980 news.xs4all.nl 6897 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:43038 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:29175 ----- Original Message ----- > On Fri, 14 Sep 2012 15:22:26 +0200, Jean-Michel Pichavant wrote: > > > Here's Steven example: > > > > # Untested! > > def timeout(t=15): > > # Decorator factory. Return a decorator to actually do the > > work. if > > FPGA: > > t *= 3 > > def decorator(func): > > @functools.wraps(func) > > def inner(self, timeout): > > self.sendCmd("bootMe", timeout=t) > > return inner > > return decorator > > > > I can assure you, that for some python users, it's is not easy to > > understand what it does, this function returning a function which > > returns another (wrapped) function. It requires some effort. > > Oh I agree. So does learning to tie your shoe-laces, learning to > cook, > and learning to drive. > > Learning to be a world-class chess master takes a lot of effort. > Learning > about decorators does not. > > > -- > Steven I said some effort, not a lot of effort. Something else that requires some effort it to make experts realize that some things they consider trivial and easy, aren't actually for a lot of people. Returning to my cave. JM